Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals?

[Anonymous]

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think there is a legitimate call to reexamine the social response to pedophilia and other sexual deviances (which homosexuality is decidedly NOT!). It is my genuine understanding that these people's desires are very much out of their control. In general, our sexual attractions are not controlled. They might be socially conditioned, but no one wakes up in the morning and decides to be straight or gay or attracted to blondes or brunettes or older women or younger guys or children or teenagers.

Of course, none that justifies victimizing others. Be it heterosexual rape of an adult or the sexual abuse of a child, no matter what your sexual predilection is, nonconsensual sex or sexual contact is wrong and ought to be illegal.

However, the demonization of pedophiles and other sexual deviants goes too far. They're not monsters, even if they engage in admittedly monstrous behavior. They're humans, potentially hard-wired in an unhealthy way, who should be supported to be healthy members of society. Which can happen in conjunction with penalizing them for their crimes.

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. The extent to which it is the same, it is equally the same with heterosexuality. But where it differs from both homosexuality and heterosexuality is the creation of victims. Pedophiles deserve certain rights, those of full-blown citizens and, should they act criminally, the same rights we afford criminals (which seem to be lesser and lesser each day).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

Yes, because they are hurting children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think there is a legitimate call to reexamine the social response to pedophilia and other sexual deviances (which homosexuality is decidedly NOT!). It is my genuine understanding that these people's desires are very much out of their control. In general, our sexual attractions are not controlled. They might be socially conditioned, but no one wakes up in the morning and decides to be straight or gay or attracted to blondes or brunettes or older women or younger guys or children or teenagers.

Of course, none that justifies victimizing others. Be it heterosexual rape of an adult or the sexual abuse of a child, no matter what your sexual predilection is, nonconsensual sex or sexual contact is wrong and ought to be illegal.

However, the demonization of pedophiles and other sexual deviants goes too far. They're not monsters, even if they engage in admittedly monstrous behavior. They're humans, potentially hard-wired in an unhealthy way, who should be supported to be healthy members of society. Which can happen in conjunction with penalizing them for their crimes.

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. The extent to which it is the same, it is equally the same with heterosexuality. But where it differs from both homosexuality and heterosexuality is the creation of victims. Pedophiles deserve certain rights, those of full-blown citizens and, should they act criminally, the same rights we afford criminals (which seem to be lesser and lesser each day).

And instead of acknowledging their urges and actions hurt others, they hurt others rather than seeking treatment before they hurt others.

Because they are hard-wired to hurt children, they need to be controlled, not supported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

Pedophiles. Prison. Crime and punishment. Evil. I don't care about their struggle and neither should you -Perv.

You have clearly thought this through. Good to have your intellectual contribution to the debate.

Thanks. I assume you have an issue with the fairness of expecting someone to suppress their natural sexuality. Most people were disgusted with Jerry Sandusky. IMHO McQueary is not unemployable since he was a "whistleblower" but rather if you see the guy it is hard not to think how could he have done nothing immediately?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

Pedophiles. Prison. Crime and punishment. Evil. I don't care about their struggle and neither should you -Perv.

You have clearly thought this through. Good to have your intellectual contribution to the debate.

Thanks. I assume you have an issue with the fairness of expecting someone to suppress their natural sexuality. Most people were disgusted with Jerry Sandusky. IMHO McQueary is not unemployable since he was a "whistleblower" but rather if you see the guy it is hard not to think how could he have done nothing immediately?

I have literally no idea what you are talking about. All I ask is that you try to get your thoughts into some kind of coherence before posting.

[Anonymous]

One of the many issues I find with this is children grow up. Being gay means you are attracted to the opposite sex but when you get married gay or straight you get married for life (or at least that's the idea).
It's all about the sex and not the idea of a partnership that homosexuals and heterosexuals are looking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think there is a legitimate call to reexamine the social response to pedophilia and other sexual deviances (which homosexuality is decidedly NOT!). It is my genuine understanding that these people's desires are very much out of their control. In general, our sexual attractions are not controlled. They might be socially conditioned, but no one wakes up in the morning and decides to be straight or gay or attracted to blondes or brunettes or older women or younger guys or children or teenagers.

Of course, none that justifies victimizing others. Be it heterosexual rape of an adult or the sexual abuse of a child, no matter what your sexual predilection is, nonconsensual sex or sexual contact is wrong and ought to be illegal.

However, the demonization of pedophiles and other sexual deviants goes too far. They're not monsters, even if they engage in admittedly monstrous behavior. They're humans, potentially hard-wired in an unhealthy way, who should be supported to be healthy members of society. Which can happen in conjunction with penalizing them for their crimes.

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. The extent to which it is the same, it is equally the same with heterosexuality. But where it differs from both homosexuality and heterosexuality is the creation of victims. Pedophiles deserve certain rights, those of full-blown citizens and, should they act criminally, the same rights we afford criminals (which seem to be lesser and lesser each day).

And instead of acknowledging their urges and actions hurt others, they hurt others rather than seeking treatment before they hurt others.

Because they are hard-wired to hurt children, they need to be controlled, not supported.

Given the number of pedophiles who were sexually abused as kids, the case that this is hard wired is hardly proven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think there is a legitimate call to reexamine the social response to pedophilia and other sexual deviances (which homosexuality is decidedly NOT!). It is my genuine understanding that these people's desires are very much out of their control. In general, our sexual attractions are not controlled. They might be socially conditioned, but no one wakes up in the morning and decides to be straight or gay or attracted to blondes or brunettes or older women or younger guys or children or teenagers.

Of course, none that justifies victimizing others. Be it heterosexual rape of an adult or the sexual abuse of a child, no matter what your sexual predilection is, nonconsensual sex or sexual contact is wrong and ought to be illegal.

However, the demonization of pedophiles and other sexual deviants goes too far. They're not monsters, even if they engage in admittedly monstrous behavior. They're humans, potentially hard-wired in an unhealthy way, who should be supported to be healthy members of society. Which can happen in conjunction with penalizing them for their crimes.

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. The extent to which it is the same, it is equally the same with heterosexuality. But where it differs from both homosexuality and heterosexuality is the creation of victims. Pedophiles deserve certain rights, those of full-blown citizens and, should they act criminally, the same rights we afford criminals (which seem to be lesser and lesser each day).

And instead of acknowledging their urges and actions hurt others, they hurt others rather than seeking treatment before they hurt others.

Because they are hard-wired to hurt children, they need to be controlled, not supported.

Given the number of pedophiles who were sexually abused as kids, the case that this is hard wired is hardly proven.

Doesn't follow. Experience, especially early childhood experience, definitely leads to "hard wiring" of neurons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think there is a legitimate call to reexamine the social response to pedophilia and other sexual deviances (which homosexuality is decidedly NOT!). It is my genuine understanding that these people's desires are very much out of their control. In general, our sexual attractions are not controlled. They might be socially conditioned, but no one wakes up in the morning and decides to be straight or gay or attracted to blondes or brunettes or older women or younger guys or children or teenagers.

Of course, none that justifies victimizing others. Be it heterosexual rape of an adult or the sexual abuse of a child, no matter what your sexual predilection is, nonconsensual sex or sexual contact is wrong and ought to be illegal.

However, the demonization of pedophiles and other sexual deviants goes too far. They're not monsters, even if they engage in admittedly monstrous behavior. They're humans, potentially hard-wired in an unhealthy way, who should be supported to be healthy members of society. Which can happen in conjunction with penalizing them for their crimes.

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. The extent to which it is the same, it is equally the same with heterosexuality. But where it differs from both homosexuality and heterosexuality is the creation of victims. Pedophiles deserve certain rights, those of full-blown citizens and, should they act criminally, the same rights we afford criminals (which seem to be lesser and lesser each day).

And instead of acknowledging their urges and actions hurt others, they hurt others rather than seeking treatment before they hurt others.

Because they are hard-wired to hurt children, they need to be controlled, not supported.

Given the number of pedophiles who were sexually abused as kids, the case that this is hard wired is hardly proven.

Doesn't follow. Experience, especially early childhood experience, definitely leads to "hard wiring" of neurons.

If it can be changed by experience, it can be changed back. The brain is plastic even in old age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think there is a legitimate call to reexamine the social response to pedophilia and other sexual deviances (which homosexuality is decidedly NOT!). It is my genuine understanding that these people's desires are very much out of their control. In general, our sexual attractions are not controlled. They might be socially conditioned, but no one wakes up in the morning and decides to be straight or gay or attracted to blondes or brunettes or older women or younger guys or children or teenagers.

Of course, none that justifies victimizing others. Be it heterosexual rape of an adult or the sexual abuse of a child, no matter what your sexual predilection is, nonconsensual sex or sexual contact is wrong and ought to be illegal.

However, the demonization of pedophiles and other sexual deviants goes too far. They're not monsters, even if they engage in admittedly monstrous behavior. They're humans, potentially hard-wired in an unhealthy way, who should be supported to be healthy members of society. Which can happen in conjunction with penalizing them for their crimes.

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. The extent to which it is the same, it is equally the same with heterosexuality. But where it differs from both homosexuality and heterosexuality is the creation of victims. Pedophiles deserve certain rights, those of full-blown citizens and, should they act criminally, the same rights we afford criminals (which seem to be lesser and lesser each day).

And instead of acknowledging their urges and actions hurt others, they hurt others rather than seeking treatment before they hurt others.

Because they are hard-wired to hurt children, they need to be controlled, not supported.

Given the number of pedophiles who were sexually abused as kids, the case that this is hard wired is hardly proven.

Doesn't follow. Experience, especially early childhood experience, definitely leads to "hard wiring" of neurons.

If it can be changed by experience, it can be changed back. The brain is plastic even in old age.

And you are willing to risk innocent children with this social experiment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this, but I think there is a legitimate call to reexamine the social response to pedophilia and other sexual deviances (which homosexuality is decidedly NOT!). It is my genuine understanding that these people's desires are very much out of their control. In general, our sexual attractions are not controlled. They might be socially conditioned, but no one wakes up in the morning and decides to be straight or gay or attracted to blondes or brunettes or older women or younger guys or children or teenagers.

Of course, none that justifies victimizing others. Be it heterosexual rape of an adult or the sexual abuse of a child, no matter what your sexual predilection is, nonconsensual sex or sexual contact is wrong and ought to be illegal.

However, the demonization of pedophiles and other sexual deviants goes too far. They're not monsters, even if they engage in admittedly monstrous behavior. They're humans, potentially hard-wired in an unhealthy way, who should be supported to be healthy members of society. Which can happen in conjunction with penalizing them for their crimes.

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. The extent to which it is the same, it is equally the same with heterosexuality. But where it differs from both homosexuality and heterosexuality is the creation of victims. Pedophiles deserve certain rights, those of full-blown citizens and, should they act criminally, the same rights we afford criminals (which seem to be lesser and lesser each day).

And instead of acknowledging their urges and actions hurt others, they hurt others rather than seeking treatment before they hurt others.

Because they are hard-wired to hurt children, they need to be controlled, not supported.

Given the number of pedophiles who were sexually abused as kids, the case that this is hard wired is hardly proven.

Doesn't follow. Experience, especially early childhood experience, definitely leads to "hard wiring" of neurons.

If it can be changed by experience, it can be changed back. The brain is plastic even in old age.

And you are willing to risk innocent children with this social experiment?

The experiment is not to "cure" pedophilia. The goal is to get them to not act on their impulse and harm children. It's up to the mental health professionals to decide whether someone poses an immediate risk to the community. We can't just decide to lock them all up forever, because some of them might do a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

It is my understanding that recidivism is quite high among pedophiles. Remember, people, this harms CHILDREN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has begun, soon a goat and 3 men can marry. Thanks gay marriage.

Gay marriage didn't start this trend. Hetrosexuals were the first to start marrying and now look what that has led to. Back in the days when you just had to club a woman and drag her back to your cave by her hair, we didn't have these kinds of problems.

Frankly, I'd like to go back to the days when men were actually not neutered by femi-Nazis - minus the club of course

Poor baby. Everyone knows women are the stronger sex anyway. You're finally in your rightful place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has begun, soon a goat and 3 men can marry. Thanks gay marriage.

Gay marriage didn't start this trend. Hetrosexuals were the first to start marrying and now look what that has led to. Back in the days when you just had to club a woman and drag her back to your cave by her hair, we didn't have these kinds of problems.

Frankly, I'd like to go back to the days when men were actually not neutered by femi-Nazis - minus the club of course

Poor baby. Everyone knows women are the stronger sex anyway. You're finally in your rightful place.

Um... I'm the PP who made the statement - I'm a woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

Pedophiles. Prison. Crime and punishment. Evil. I don't care about their struggle and neither should you -Perv.

You have clearly thought this through. Good to have your intellectual contribution to the debate.

Thanks. I assume you have an issue with the fairness of expecting someone to suppress their natural sexuality. Most people were disgusted with Jerry Sandusky. IMHO McQueary is not unemployable since he was a "whistleblower" but rather if you see the guy it is hard not to think how could he have done nothing immediately?

I have literally no idea what you are talking about. All I ask is that you try to get your thoughts into some kind of coherence before posting.

My thoughts were and are coherent in each post. It seems that a responder objects to me not expecting preferential treatment for pedophiles. Hmmm....thought about Penn State.