The Kennedys are a class act.
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| I thought this headline at first was a joke. |
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| Kennedys=Kardashian Klassy |
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I have enough class for him to never of worn it in public. I found it too funny NOT to buy. |
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It was also done because they feared she would become pregnant out of wedlock as she was sexually active. Screwing around is a pastime reserved only for the boys in the Kennedy family. Lobotomized as a young woman "But as she got older, her father worried that his daughter’s mild condition would lead her into situations that could damage the family’s reputation." “Rosemary was a woman, and there was a dread fear of pregnancy, disease and disgrace,” author Laurence Leamer wrote in an unauthorized Kennedy biography called “The Kennedy Women: The Saga of an American Family.” He wrote that Rosemary had taken to sneaking out of the convent where she was staying at the time. Doctors told Joseph Kennedy that a lobotomy, a medical procedure in which the frontal lobes of a patient’s brain are scraped away, would help his daughter and calm her mood swings that the family found difficult to handle at home. Psychosurgery was in its infancy at the time, and only a few hundred lobotomies had been performed. The procedure was believed to be a way to relieve serious mental disorders. Leamer wrote that Rosemary was “probably the first person with mental retardation in America to receive a prefrontal lobotomy.” |
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So this thread is about bashing a bunch of dead people? Now that's classy!
Signed, not a huge Kennedy fan, but WTF? |
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Why are you apply modern standards of psychiatry and psychiatric treatment to the dark ages? Thorazine and a lobotomy and you were considered fixed. The fact that you have a special needs kid should mean you are more sensitive to the narrow and hard choices people have to make in these matters, especially back then. 50 years from now, people will be saying that ABA was an idiotic utter waste of time. Again, it was standard to lobotomize people at the time the Kennedys did it. It was sad and terrible--but what is the point of attacking Rose Kennedy for this? It is cruel and a real disservice to her grandchildren that have worked for and created a foundation that helps so many special needs kids. They don't have to do this. Every family has utter assholes in it--Kennedys probably have more than their share--but there are so g-damned many of them... |
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Given that none of them really have to work (or at least can expect not to have to work when their shares of the inheritance become available), there are the expected number of complete trainwrecks, and an unexpectedly high number of them in public service. Some of the public servants are also the trainwrecks.
AT any rate, Joe Kennedy Sr. had 9 kids, and about 30 grandkids. His great-grandkids are now entering politics. We are probably getting to the point where it is difficult to generalize about them |
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Hardly standard: Psychosurgery was in its infancy at the time, and only a few hundred lobotomies had been performed. The procedure was believed to be a way to relieve serious mental disorders. Leamer wrote that Rosemary was “probably the first person with mental retardation in America to receive a prefrontal lobotomy.” |
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And that is what we refer to a Klassy! |
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Yikes! Is this a north vs. south thing?
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Good lord, did YOU have a lobotoymy? Read the literature, read the statements from the performing surgeon--it WAS NOT standard when he performed. She was functioning on the level of a 10-12 yr old. It was not standard treatment for mental retardation of relatively functioning people--she met the freakin' sitting president of the US (Roosevelt). Not the typical candidate. It was done so they would save the Kennedys the horror of dealing with her when she escaped her convent and potentially chose to discover her sexuality. Idiot. |
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It has nothing to do with applying modern standards of psychiatry and psychiatric treatment. Your statements are absurd. You stated that it was the "absolute standard of care" for developmentally disabled children to receive lobotomies and so far have produced zero data, sources, or information to back that up except for an attempt get us to empathize with the Kennedy family. And you think that I should be sensitive to a family that decides to LOBOTOMIZE their child as a "narrow and hard choice." ??????? You know, that's like telling the folks in General Parenting that they should be sensitive to child abusers and pedophiles because they have "narrow and hard choices." Really, you are absolutely ridiculous. Sensitive to cruelty? Sensitive to surgery that deprives a child utterly and completely of personality, well-being, and any future? You know, the Kennedys have done many things to make up for Rose. They started Kennedy-Krieger Institute, where my child receives health care. If you had pointed to that, I would have clapped. But defending a lobotomy for a child? You're sick. |
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Your classiness speaks for itself. |
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You know what is really sad? A person like you who is quoting an unauthorized biography (which basically has NO standard of truth whatsoever) to support your expertise on the field of psychiatric surgery (which is what it is called, not "psychosurgery"). Going around judging a painful chapter in a family's life with 50/50 hindsight is usually the activity of people who are compensating for their OWN guilt. Work out what your issues are with your SN child with a therapist, PP. But if blaming Joe Kennedy for it makes you feel better go for it. I also have a special needs kids. It has made me more sensitive to human frailty--clearly not the case for you. But carry on with your quotes from 'unauthorized celebrity biographers'. |
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Sallie Ellen Ionesco
1917 – 2007 Notable Because: First transorbital or “ice pick” lobotomy 
The first transorbital (ice pick) lobotomy was performed in 1946, also by Dr. Walter Freeman. Ionesco was a 29 year-old housewife and mother who was described as violently suicidal. In His Washington D.C. office, Freeman rendered Ionesco unconscious through electroshock. He then inserted an ice pick above her eyeball, banged it through her eye socket into her brain and then swirled it around in a sort of eggbeater motion to scramble the neural connections. The family considered the operation a success and a blessed relief. She lost some memory function but was relatively intact and led a fairly normal life. Interesting Fact: Ionesco’s daughter is quoted saying “It’s a hard decision to make, but inevitably life is just full of decisions like that… For me it was a good thing. I think for mama it was a good thing. And I think the lobotomy he did on her was a very good thing. Certainly the electroshock therapy was. Of course now they have medicine for this, so it’s all a moot point. But they had nothing back then. That’s the thing, people who are looking at it don’t understand, they didn’t have anything else and nobody was coming up with anything.” |