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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am not clueless..Joe Kennedy did it without his wife's permission..The family is awful..I am thinking OP has to be a troll.[/quote]

Yeah, thousands of people were needlessly subjected to lobotomization in the US and abroad during the 30s, 40s, 50s, and early 60s. It was considered revolutionary. Of course with hindsight we have come to realize that it was wrong minded. I am not an academic, but here is a site http://www.villagevoice.com/1999-10-26/long-island-voice/the-scary-days-when-thousands-were-lobotomized-on-long-island/ do your own research, if you like--there are thousands of state hospitals that were filled with people who had this procedure. Mistakes were made. Joe was monstrous for MANY things. Not this. You are clueless or uninformed or both on this issue.[/quote]

Yes, thousands of people were needlessly subjected to the procedure, agreed....but your earlier claim was that it was the "absolute standard of care" for developmentally disabled children.  That's two quite different claims.  I can agreed that many people needlessly had the procedure, but I know of no evidence that it was accepted as the standard of care for developmentally disabled children.

I have a special needs child and I am very well read in the sad history of institutionalization of SN kids in this country.  [/quote]

Why are you apply modern standards of psychiatry and psychiatric treatment to the dark ages? Thorazine and a lobotomy and you were considered fixed. The fact that you have a special needs kid should mean you are more sensitive to the narrow and hard choices people have to make in these matters, especially back then. 50 years from now, people will be saying that ABA was an idiotic utter waste of time. [b]Again, it was standard to lobotomize people at the time the Kennedys did it.[/b] It was sad and terrible--but what is the point of attacking Rose Kennedy for this? It is cruel and a real disservice to her grandchildren that have worked for and created a foundation that helps so many special needs kids. They don't have to do this. Every family has utter assholes in it--Kennedys probably have more than their share--but there are so g-damned many of them...[/quote]
Hardly standard:[i] Psychosurgery was in its infancy at the time, and only a few hundred lobotomies had been performed. The procedure was believed to be a way to relieve serious mental disorders. Leamer wrote that Rosemary was “probably the first person with mental retardation in America to receive a prefrontal lobotomy.” [/i] 
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