I miss this kind of Democrat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obama doesn't like America. That's right... I said it.

Get used to his face. You'll be seeing it for another four years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How dare you vote against Obama. You must be racist.

Spoken like a true racist.

[Anonymous]

I did not leave the Democratic Party, it left me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did not leave the Democratic Party, it left me.

Please explain what your principles are that the Democratic Party has left behind. If you are a Wellstone liberal, I can understand, but my guess is that you think the Party moved left; am I wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obama doesn't like America. That's right... I said it.

Thank you for your well-reasoned point of view. I certainly appreciate the specific examples you have provided for making this claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obama doesn't like America. That's right... I said it.

You are a douche. That's right... I said it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Back then business people knew how to sacrifice for their country. This generation of business people has lost that.

nobody is greedier or lazier than goverment unions. as a private business owner my income has dropped 60% in the last 4 years I do more for less these days. The government needs to do more with less like any business can and does. Government Unions are full of weak, lazy people that cannot adapt to hard times.

I work for the government and I just got home after an 11-hour day today - UNPAID. That's right, I work 6 days a week, and I'm a lawyer, and I get paid less than $100K/year. So STFU - you are clearly lazier as between the two of us.

[Anonymous]

We have a tendency in this country, probably shared with humanity as a whole, to personalize and generalize. The antagonism between left and right, when it turns from dislike of ideas to dislike of the people who hold those ideas, is unfortunate, and IMO contrary to the love we profess for our country, which consists not just of the ideas it was founded on but of its people as well.

Sorry for the repetition of this obvious, and somewhat sanctimonious, message, but the little interchange between the business owner and the government worker touched a nerve, as I saw two people who probably contribute much to this country, and thereby to each other, attacking each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama doesn't like America. That's right... I said it.

You are a douche. That's right... I said it.

Obama's more American than that pp can ever hope to be.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

hmm..he ran roughshod over bondholders in the GM bankruptcy, favoring unions over bankruptcy law.
Whenever he needs a convenient bad guy to demonize there's always the oil companies (yeah..the ones who are increasing US production and their gas cousins who found our newest bonanza--shale gas)
and the closely-related class warfare of claiming asking "millionaires and billionaires" to pay a bit more solves anything when he (and everyone who knows the numbers) understands there's no real revenue there---you have to go to the middle class to get the numbers to work.

shall i go on?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

hmm..he ran roughshod over bondholders in the GM bankruptcy, favoring unions over bankruptcy law.
Whenever he needs a convenient bad guy to demonize there's always the oil companies (yeah..the ones who are increasing US production and their gas cousins who found our newest bonanza--shale gas)
and the closely-related class warfare of claiming asking "millionaires and billionaires" to pay a bit more solves anything when he (and everyone who knows the numbers) understands there's no real revenue there---you have to go to the middle class to get the numbers to work.

shall i go on?

Yes, you should go on. Or, alternatively, maybe learn the meaning of "demonize". Because, you have not given an example of Obama demonizing anybody. The GM bankruptcy saved the company at the expense of people who knowingly took a financial risk. The entire thing was approved by the courts. At one point, Obama said that he did not run for office to help "a few fat cat bankers". That is probably the closest you will find him "demonizing" any business people, though that is pretty weak since it only applies to a very small number of individuals.

What I don't understand is that when a businessman closes a factory or lays off workers, that's considered "making a tough decision". Taking a strong stand in negotiations is respected. American businessmen pride themselves on having strong characters and being able to "stand up" to competitors. But, if Obama says a few bankers are "fat cats", these "tough guys" react worse than a five year old kid whose had his favorite toy taken away.

Obama doesn't demonize oil companies. He has simply stated that an industry making record profits doesn't need tax credits and other financial incentives. Those could be better used for small businesses that are struggling. A failure to capitulate to every desire is hardly "demonization".

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:...
Obama doesn't demonize oil companies. He has simply stated that an industry making record profits doesn't need tax credits and other financial incentives. Those could be better used for small businesses that are struggling. A failure to capitulate to every desire is hardly "demonization".

On the other hand, do you suppose it's fair to say that Obama gets demonized now and then?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

hmm..he ran roughshod over bondholders in the GM bankruptcy, favoring unions over bankruptcy law.
Whenever he needs a convenient bad guy to demonize there's always the oil companies (yeah..the ones who are increasing US production and their gas cousins who found our newest bonanza--shale gas)
and the closely-related class warfare of claiming asking "millionaires and billionaires" to pay a bit more solves anything when he (and everyone who knows the numbers) understands there's no real revenue there---you have to go to the middle class to get the numbers to work.

shall i go on?

Yes, you should go on. Or, alternatively, maybe learn the meaning of "demonize". Because, you have not given an example of Obama demonizing anybody. The GM bankruptcy saved the company at the expense of people who knowingly took a financial risk. The entire thing was approved by the courts. At one point, Obama said that he did not run for office to help "a few fat cat bankers". That is probably the closest you will find him "demonizing" any business people, though that is pretty weak since it only applies to a very small number of individuals.

What I don't understand is that when a businessman closes a factory or lays off workers, that's considered "making a tough decision". Taking a strong stand in negotiations is respected. American businessmen pride themselves on having strong characters and being able to "stand up" to competitors. But, if Obama says a few bankers are "fat cats", these "tough guys" react worse than a five year old kid whose had his favorite toy taken away.

Obama doesn't demonize oil companies. He has simply stated that an industry making record profits doesn't need tax credits and other financial incentives. Those could be better used for small businesses that are struggling. A failure to capitulate to every desire is hardly "demonization".

On the other hand, the tax credits and other financial incentives of which you speak are not specifically geared toward the oil companies. Most are in place for companies that deal with exploration and non-renewable assets. But the way you hear the democrats explain it, you might think that legislation was written specifically for "big oil". Of course, folks weren't all that concerned when the oil companies were having financial problems. And finally, it is not possible for congress to specically exclude a sector from the type of legislation that yields the credits and incentives.

[Anonymous]

Right pp. Those subsidies for exploring are just so critical.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-03/democrats-say-chesapeake-s-taxes-show-need-to-update-old-law.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

hmm..he ran roughshod over bondholders in the GM bankruptcy, favoring unions over bankruptcy law.
Whenever he needs a convenient bad guy to demonize there's always the oil companies (yeah..the ones who are increasing US production and their gas cousins who found our newest bonanza--shale gas)
and the closely-related class warfare of claiming asking "millionaires and billionaires" to pay a bit more solves anything when he (and everyone who knows the numbers) understands there's no real revenue there---you have to go to the middle class to get the numbers to work.

shall i go on?

Yes, you should go on. Or, alternatively, maybe learn the meaning of "demonize". Because, you have not given an example of Obama demonizing anybody. The GM bankruptcy saved the company at the expense of people who knowingly took a financial risk. The entire thing was approved by the courts. At one point, Obama said that he did not run for office to help "a few fat cat bankers". That is probably the closest you will find him "demonizing" any business people, though that is pretty weak since it only applies to a very small number of individuals.

What I don't understand is that when a businessman closes a factory or lays off workers, that's considered "making a tough decision". Taking a strong stand in negotiations is respected. American businessmen pride themselves on having strong characters and being able to "stand up" to competitors. But, if Obama says a few bankers are "fat cats", these "tough guys" react worse than a five year old kid whose had his favorite toy taken away.

Obama doesn't demonize oil companies. He has simply stated that an industry making record profits doesn't need tax credits and other financial incentives. Those could be better used for small businesses that are struggling. A failure to capitulate to every desire is hardly "demonization".

On the other hand, the tax credits and other financial incentives of which you speak are not specifically geared toward the oil companies. Most are in place for companies that deal with exploration and non-renewable assets. But the way you hear the democrats explain it, you might think that legislation was written specifically for "big oil". Of course, folks weren't all that concerned when the oil companies were having financial problems. And finally, it is not possible for congress to specically exclude a sector from the type of legislation that yields the credits and incentives.

Gee, you should tell that to the Joint Committee on Taxation. They are not aware of this, because they list them as oil specific tax incentives. I wonder why a bunch of Republicans would say it if it was not true? http://www.jct.gov/publications.html?func=download&id=3718&chk=3718&no_html=1