| I guess I've been totally spoiled -- I'm constantly surprised that some employers are less family friendly than big law firms. I've only been in big law, and pumping accommodations, paid maternity leave, insurance coverage for fertility treatments, etc. have always been standard. I took about a month of short disability before delivery (at full salary), then 4 month of paid maternity leave, an additional 2.5 months of unpaid maternity leave, then returned to work and didn't think twice about asking for a designated refrigerator space for my pumping parts and BM. While we didn't have a separate pumping room, I could pump in my office, and would've felt totally entitled to ask for a separate room, if I wanted. I couldn't leave in time for day care pick up on many days, though. And had to work most weekends. And most mornings before the baby work up, and every night after the baby went to sleep. So, I guess that is the trade-off. |
Plan away, but realize that you may not actually have a kid in the near future. It doesn't sound like you are currently pregnant. Realistically, it might take you years to get pregnant and by then you may be on to another job. As long as it is a reputable company with standard benefits (which it must be if you are considering taking the job) then wait until you actually need leave to negotiate the leave. Your/their circumstances might change. |
Yes, and when an employee starts, on a tour of the office I point out all our facilities, including -- you guessed it -- pumping facilities. But I certainly wouldn't bring it up at a job interview. |
| You can ask HR after you get the job. I would not ask during the interview process. |
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I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask about benefits - big picture items like health insurance copays, amount of leave, etc. when you interview seriously (so maybe not the first interview, but def. the 2nd or 3rd). I mean, how are you supposed to compare your offer at this company to another?
And you should ask HR, not the hiring manager, since they'll be more familiar with the specifics. But it is necessary (and usually negotiable) information. Just having to pay 80% of your insurance copay would equal, for example, a $15k lower starting salary at another job that pays 100% of insurance premiums. You need apples to compare to other apples. Just like 6 weeks of paid maternity leave would have to be balanced by earning more or having other benefits at a company that only offers unpaid leave (like the govt). |
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I'd wait until after an offer came in, or try and find out some other way (re: friend at the company?)
People don't want to believe that companies will discriminate against current or prospective moms but you don't want to look like you are, um, planning to nurse them for every available benefit or clock out 'early' during crunch times. |
| i recently intereviewed for 2 jobs last week and was told upfront i was the top candidate, i blew both b/c I asked about work life balance and needing to leave most days by 5 and mentioned i have children that i need to pick up from daycare. This is my first time interviewing after having children and so I didn't know how to handle it and was VERY honest. My headhunter told me their feedback was great but felt they were discriminating b/c i had asked those things and told me next time to never ever mention anything about my personal life, ie/ that i even had kids and nevr bring up daycare duty. I was trying to be responsible b/c DH's husband is a lot of travel and I need to be back for pick up by 5:30/6....I thought it was a legit question, but it gave the interviewer an upper hand a reason to discrminate. I never saw it that way until the HH and I discussed it afterwards. I would not ask about Mat leave. Instead try to see if you can google info on it, or ask for a benefits package b/f accepting the role. |
| Kiss of death in the job interview process. |
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Just like 17:38, I lost out on a job because I mentioned that I have a 5 month old, who co-incidentally was born around the same time as my would-be supervisor. My guess is that she incorrectly assumed I would be too distracted as a new Mom.
In my defense, she mentioned her DC first and I said, "oh what a coincidence, my DC is also around the same age". |
You fell into her trap. Never bring it up first, and don't even after they bring it up first. |
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No, do not bring it up at all.
Only when you get the job offer, say thank you, and ask for all of the available information on benefits, etc, and say you'll get back to them asap. Then do so, within 24 hours. Negotiate a salary. Then after the salary is negotiated to your liking, ask any clarifying questions about the benefits package as written on paper. But I would not ask about a place to pump, maternity leave, etc. unless (a) it is not in the benefits manual (b)unless you have already negotiated your salary and (c) if the worse case scenario would be a deal-breaker for you to accept the job or would make you quit. It SHOULD be in the benefits manual. |
| Interviewing 101: Do not ask about compensation or benefits until you've received an offer. Once you get an offer, everything is on the table until you accept. If they have a crappy maternity policy you can negotiate better terms or higher compensation, etc. But negotiations only start once you have an offer in hand. |
I don't think you would have lasted in the job regardless of whether you asked or not. Between pumping 3x or more times a day and leaving early to pick up your DC when were you ever working. Speaking with experience as I lasted a very short time pumping at work when I realized that I was barely working between that and wanting to leave at a decent time....not fair to your employer or colleagues.... |
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The law says if a company has over a certain number of employees, you can pump. However, there is no law that says you get to leave early to pick up your child day care. You really expect an employer to allow you to do this everyday or even once every week. I'm a supervisor and I would never allow this on a permanent basis. When you accept the job you go by the employer rules not by your needs.
She didn't say early. She said at a specific time. If I had a dime for every time an employer didn't get that they couldn't just pull me or other parents into a meeting at 5:05 as we're leaving for daycare, I wouldn't need the damn job. It was almost always something that could have been avoided if folks had merely planned better instead of say, slipping out to watch March Madness at lunch. AGREED!!! As a supervisor I totally agree with this....gives all working moms a bad name.... |
She didn't say early. She said at a specific time. If I had a dime for every time an employer didn't get that they couldn't just pull me or other parents into a meeting at 5:05 as we're leaving for daycare, I wouldn't need the damn job. It was almost always something that could have been avoided if folks had merely planned better instead of say, slipping out to watch March Madness at lunch. AGREED!!! As a supervisor I totally agree with this....gives all working moms a bad name.... I'm not sure which one of us you're agreeing with (I'm the "If I had a dime" poster), but (and I think you agree with both of us) there's a difference between holding employees accountable and being an unprofessional clueless moron (2 hour March Madness lunch while parents are working so they can leave on time). |