Penn State students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I totally get that these are idiot college students, but still cannot fathom how it feels to be one of those victims living in this college town where:

1) You were assaulted by a mentor and coach
2) It was covered up by many white, educated men who were supposed to be your mentors
3) Now they have been arrested and fired, but the students at Penn State riot to show support for the men that hurt you

In a small college town - I can imagine that feels like the whole town hates you and could be out to get you if they find out your identity. Seriously. You'd have to walk by these people on a daily basis.

wtf with the "white men" stuff???? now this is a racial issue????

Heeelllooo...these were boys in a at-risk youth group. Read: black boys.

Heeelllllo. . . . are you really this stupid, or do you just play at it?

[Anonymous]

Have you ever been to Happy Valley?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it isnt that simple. When you think someone you love and know is getting railroaded, you want to defend them and your school. School spirit is important. I was overseas when the Virginia Tech shootings took place, but I made a point of proudly wearing a VT hat for a few days just to show my little support. Not the same as rioting (which is really just a few hundred drunk fools out of a campus of 50,000), but same general idea.

Poor analogy. PSU administration is guilty for protecting a criminal in its ranks, for not protecting a child when confronted with eyewitness accounts of a heinous crime. The VT community was the victim of a psychologically sick student.

Agree that the analogy is completely unfounded. It would only be a correct analogy if the football coach had known the killer's plans, decided to ignore the issue, and then 1000 VT students rallied to defend the football coach after the shooting.

Makes you feel real good about these students, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

could you image hiring one of these kids? it would make me sick knowing i hired one of those rioters.

[Anonymous]

So is it true that the grad student who saw a heinous act in progress reported it the next day(! why not yell out "yo") (to Joe?) and that grad student is now a PSU football assistant coach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:could you image hiring one of these kids? it would make me sick knowing i hired one of those rioters.

I was thinking along similar lines, having read this

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-students-in-clashes-after-joe-paterno-is-ousted.html?hpw

One day Mike Clark, 18, and Jeff Heim, 19, might SERIOUSLY regret being quoted in this article. At least, I hope they will.

[Anonymous]

The sad thing is that these "white Men" would be the first ones to lay down the law. What do you think would have happen if this had been the English department?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wanted my daughter (who's a senior next year) to get into Penn State. Now, I'm not so sure at all. Not because I don't think it's still a good school, but because I know folks will think of this when they see the school line on her resume.

This is a silly concern. When I was at Yale, a residential college master (professor) was arrested for sexually abusing kids and another professor was charged with (but not convicted of) killing one of his students. People still apply to Yale. These things are blips on a school's reputation.

Also, a school with 50,000 students and almost as many faculty and staff is bound to have a bad apple or two. What these guys did was terrible and they should lose their jobs if they knew anything and didn't do everything in their power to stop it. However, many, many wonderful people work at/go to school at Penn State.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is it true that the grad student who saw a heinous act in progress reported it the next day(! why not yell out "yo") (to Joe?) and that grad student is now a PSU football assistant coach?

Um, yes. This has been widely reported in every media outlet for days now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that these "white Men" would be the first ones to lay down the law. What do you think would have happen if this had been the English department?

The English Department at Penn State would have taken these allegations seriously. They are a wonderful group of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanted my daughter (who's a senior next year) to get into Penn State. Now, I'm not so sure at all. Not because I don't think it's still a good school, but because I know folks will think of this when they see the school line on her resume.

This is a silly concern. When I was at Yale, a residential college master (professor) was arrested for sexually abusing kids and another professor was charged with (but not convicted of) killing one of his students. People still apply to Yale. These things are blips on a school's reputation.

Also, a school with 50,000 students and almost as many faculty and staff is bound to have a bad apple or two. What these guys did was terrible and they should lose their jobs if they knew anything and didn't do everything in their power to stop it. However, many, many wonderful people work at/go to school at Penn State.

There's a difference between a "few bad apples" and systemic moral and legal failing at the highest levels to stop child abuse, and indeed, granting special access to a serial child predator on your campus.

This is a PR disaster for PSU.

[Anonymous]

15:28 agree
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1110-dufresne-penn-state-20111110-8,0,2314350.column?page=1

"This case has already started taking care of itself.

"The NCAA is not going to have to do anything," said a BCS official speaking anonymously because of the sensitive nature of the situation. "They can sit back and watch the house burn down."

"Penn State is already bowl eligible this year at 8-1, but there's a chance whoever takes charge won't allow the school to compete.

Some bowl officials are horrified Penn State could fall to them in the selection rotation.

After this year, though, you won't have to worry about Penn State. USC will lose 10 scholarships a year for the next three years and win a national title before Penn State wins the Big Ten.

The NCAA doesn't have to lift a finger because Penn State will collapse under the weight of a scandal that might have no equal in sports."

Penn State's Board of Trustees tossed the first match Wednesday night, firing its iconic head coach along with the university's president.

Penn State football as we know it is officially over.

It might survive as primordial ooze. The program is more toxic than radiation and its troubles will have nothing to do with losing 30 scholarships over the next three years."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is it true that the grad student who saw a heinous act in progress reported it the next day(! why not yell out "yo") (to Joe?) and that grad student is now a PSU football assistant coach?

It was his payoff to keep his mouth closed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:15:28 agree
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1110-dufresne-penn-state-20111110-8,0,2314350.column?page=1

"This case has already started taking care of itself.

"The NCAA is not going to have to do anything," said a BCS official speaking anonymously because of the sensitive nature of the situation. "They can sit back and watch the house burn down."

"Penn State is already bowl eligible this year at 8-1, but there's a chance whoever takes charge won't allow the school to compete.

Some bowl officials are horrified Penn State could fall to them in the selection rotation.

After this year, though, you won't have to worry about Penn State. USC will lose 10 scholarships a year for the next three years and win a national title before Penn State wins the Big Ten.

The NCAA doesn't have to lift a finger because Penn State will collapse under the weight of a scandal that might have no equal in sports."

Penn State's Board of Trustees tossed the first match Wednesday night, firing its iconic head coach along with the university's president.

Penn State football as we know it is officially over.

It might survive as primordial ooze. The program is more toxic than radiation and its troubles will have nothing to do with losing 30 scholarships over the next three years."

zero chance. They are not going to disband the program, and they are in the Big Ten with a 100K stadium as the biggest program in PA, and also own NJ and NY. Not going anywhere. Recruiting will take a hit until the new coach gets in there. The test will be to see who they can hire - a big name or not. I bet Urban Meyer would still take this job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wanted my daughter (who's a senior next year) to get into Penn State. Now, I'm not so sure at all. Not because I don't think it's still a good school, but because I know folks will think of this when they see the school line on her resume.

This is a silly concern. When I was at Yale, a residential college master (professor) was arrested for sexually abusing kids and another professor was charged with (but not convicted of) killing one of his students. People still apply to Yale. These things are blips on a school's reputation.

Also, a school with 50,000 students and almost as many faculty and staff is bound to have a bad apple or two. What these guys did was terrible and they should lose their jobs if they knew anything and didn't do everything in their power to stop it. However, many, many wonderful people work at/go to school at Penn State.

Yes, but these "many wonderful people" buy into and support a system that allowed this to simmer for years. And this mom who only cares about her daughter's future job interviews sounds like she would fit right in with the morality/ mindset that obviously pervades Penn State.

No way in hell would I let (read: pay for) my kids to go to school there. And we're from PA.