reading scores

Anonymous
Has there been a change in the test recently? In other words, are we comparing apples to apples? My 4th grader (son) said he scored 251(?) on the MAP-R. Now I know he's smart (he's been reading since he was 2), but this seems a little crazy. He may simply have mis-remembered the score. Maybe we're talking about a different scale. In the event neither of these are true, suggestions? (Other than a G&T school, which he doesn't want to do ...)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the useful info. In MOCO at what grades in elementary school, are these tests administered ?


MAP-R begins in 3rd grade in MCPS


Actually, my first grader did the Map-R assessment this year.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, just want to tell you that my child is a very bright 6th grader with an extremely high (>99.9th percentile) verbal IQ who attended an elementary gifted center and now a gifted middle school magnet. He reads at a very high level and makes straight As in these demanding programs. And he took the MAP-R today and got a 244.

So if your 4th grader got a 246, that is really something -- off the charts. Pay attention because your child has some really unique needs and you will need to work hard to keep her challenged.


NP here. I found this thread because DC's MAP-R scores were just sent home in comments with his report card (MCPS). DC is in 3rd grade and scored a 240. So the implications of that are that DC is way way ahead, reading-wise: "off the charts"? Totally confused. TIA.
Anonymous
In MD the Map-r tests are not timed
Anonymous
The NWEA RIT Scale Norms Study provides extensive data for interpretation of MAP scores. ( NWEA writes the MAP tests. MCPS gives both MAP-R and MAP-M). http://www.nwea.org/sites/www.nwea.org/files/resources/NWEA%202011%20Norms%20Report_01.17.2012_2.pdf. See appendix B, page 53 for starters.

A 4th grader scoring a 246 is scoring above the 99th percentile for fall scores for 4th graders. Because you can compare RIT scores across grades, you can also see that a 246 is at the 90th percentile for 11th graders.

I had a 4th grader with similar scores. If your child likes to read and does it regularly, you will find that the scores keep going up and up. At a minimum you should ask that your child receive reading group books at their reading level and to be grouped with other children with similar reading levels, which may require across class grouping within the grade level. Some schools will do this, some won't. My child's teacher was wonderful in dealing with this issue. Some activities were excused or modified for her because they didn't really make sense for her level of reading. If your student is interested in the humanities, you might want to consider applying to the middle school humanities magnet, where the assigned reading texts are at a significantly higher level with much higher level discussion.

Some kids are fine being way above grade level; it certainly makes school easier. Some kids get bored and mischievous. Some kids disconnect or start hiding their strengths because they recognize how different their skill level is than others. Some hit a wall later (in college or grad school) when the work level finally requires them to stretch and they are lost because they were never challenged before and they didn't learn to persist and use alternate strategies.

For curiousity's sake, you might want to ask what your child's MAP-M is as well.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The NWEA RIT Scale Norms Study provides extensive data for interpretation of MAP scores. ( NWEA writes the MAP tests. MCPS gives both MAP-R and MAP-M). http://www.nwea.org/sites/www.nwea.org/files/resources/NWEA%202011%20Norms%20Report_01.17.2012_2.pdf. See appendix B, page 53 for starters.

A 4th grader scoring a 246 is scoring above the 99th percentile for fall scores for 4th graders. Because you can compare RIT scores across grades, you can also see that a 246 is at the 90th percentile for 11th graders.

I had a 4th grader with similar scores. If your child likes to read and does it regularly, you will find that the scores keep going up and up. At a minimum you should ask that your child receive reading group books at their reading level and to be grouped with other children with similar reading levels, which may require across class grouping within the grade level. Some schools will do this, some won't. My child's teacher was wonderful in dealing with this issue. Some activities were excused or modified for her because they didn't really make sense for her level of reading. If your student is interested in the humanities, you might want to consider applying to the middle school humanities magnet, where the assigned reading texts are at a significantly higher level with much higher level discussion.

Some kids are fine being way above grade level; it certainly makes school easier. Some kids get bored and mischievous. Some kids disconnect or start hiding their strengths because they recognize how different their skill level is than others. Some hit a wall later (in college or grad school) when the work level finally requires them to stretch and they are lost because they were never challenged before and they didn't learn to persist and use alternate strategies.

For curiousity's sake, you might want to ask what your child's MAP-M is as well.


My kid has comparable scores - 252 in 5th grade and dc is in a hgc. Like some of the other posters, I find this a useful test because it simply measures their reading comprehension. The MSAs tell you how your child performs in a standardized test! Also, since the MAP-R is an out of level test, the computer will keep testing your child until your child starts to have trouble answering questions so the score really does reflect the limits of their current ability. If you look online you can find the NWEA norms which will tell you which percentile your child falls into. My child's score places him in the top ten percent of 11th graders. However, this does not mean that my child can take high school level classes - he does not have the background knowledge to take high school chemistry for example. But, the score does imply that if he had the background knowledge he has the potential to comprehend at that high level.
It is useful because you can find books at his level (as long as they are age-appropriate eg classic novels) and you can also more effectively advocate for him in the classroom. Your child definitely needs enrichment - either at home or in the classroom or ideally both. One word of caution, I have heard that once you hit the 240 mark, the scores plateau (you don't always see huge jumps from year to year) and the scores are also less reliable.
Anonymous
Yes, it tests one aspect of reading and it's very useful but not comprehensive.

I have one kid who was in an HCG and MS magnet and as poster stated above, she started to plateau above 240.

My other child has language based learning disabilities and, although he scores in the high 240s or low 250s and has done so since 4th grade, has other reading issues that make it a challenge.

All that to say, it's just one measure.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, it tests one aspect of reading and it's very useful but not comprehensive.

I have one kid who was in an HCG and MS magnet and as poster stated above, she started to plateau above 240.

My other child has language based learning disabilities and, although he scores in the high 240s or low 250s and has done so since 4th grade, has other reading issues that make it a challenge.

All that to say, it's just one measure.


that's interesting. what aspect of reading do you think it measures? What do you think it does not measure?
Thanks
Anonymous
My child had 237 in 2nd grade..attended a HGC..and is only at 248 this year in 6th grade. She reads alot so I am not worried but it seems odd to stop improving.
Anonymous
My 3rd grader claims says she got a 225 but I am not sure I believe it.
Anonymous
Have they already started the fall map tests?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Have they already started the fall map tests?


I teach at a middle school in MCPS and we started map-r testing this past week.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, it tests one aspect of reading and it's very useful but not comprehensive.

I have one kid who was in an HCG and MS magnet and as poster stated above, she started to plateau above 240.

My other child has language based learning disabilities and, although he scores in the high 240s or low 250s and has done so since 4th grade, has other reading issues that make it a challenge.

All that to say, it's just one measure.


If you look at the NWEA 2011 RIT scale Norms publication, you can find the Percentile Rank Conversion by RIT score as well as a table listing the mean growth in RIT scores from one year to the next. The latter does seem to indicate that RIT scores grow quite dramatically in the earlier grades (e.g. 14 from grade 2 to grade 3) and much more slowly in the higher grades ( e.g. 4.9 from grade 6 to grade 7 and 3 from grade 8 to grade 9 and 2 from grade 10 to grade 11). In other words perhaps the plateauing you are noticing is normal given her high RIT score.

My dc's RIT score grew by 4 points from 253 in 5th to 257 in 6 grade.

Anonymous
I am a 3rd grader and I got 241 on my MAP test... but I won't waste my time. I go to a 50,000 dollar per month private school.
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