Why can't Boehner abandon tea party freshmen and do a last minute compromise plan with dems?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:dems are done. This is an utter defeat for them. wait till the cuts start to bit. people are going to pissed and the dems will get the blame. at any time the dems could have called the bluff. they never do. obama could say I will sign a clean bill that increase the debt limit till after the 2012 election or half tax increases half spending cut cuts bill. anything else I will veto. he would never think of doing that...he has to go. as long as the dems do not stand and fight, they can not govern the country. all it takes is one republican saying no and they run.

Uh, are the people are the people around you wearing plaid pants and sporting sideburns? You may have stepped into a time machine and been transported back to 1979. Go buy a paper. If the paper says the Pittsburgh Pirates are on fire, and the radio is playing "Hot Stuff", "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy", and "My Sharona", write back and we will find a way to get you back to 2011.

[Anonymous]

You seem to think he should roll over -- Lord knows he has plenty of practice. I think he should have proposed something and taken it to the people. Remember after the last stimulus how Republicans who voted against it held ribbon cuttings to take credit for the projects? Obama should have been going out to all of those locations and holding his own press conference. Tell the locals that he would like to see their Congressman take credit for additional projects.

Of course I don't think he should roll over. If anything, I'm disappointed in the lack of messaging. Republicans all have the same talking points and they repeat them ad nauseam until people who can't think for themselves swallow fantasy and fiction as fact. For all the discipline and strength in messaging the Obama team had in campaigning, I expected better, especially after the fiasco summer of '09 with the health reform town hall. Effectively communicating a vision is critical to getting buy-in and seeing it to fruition.

He has stated what he wants. He's said what he's willing to sacrifice for it. And in this case, I really think that's all he needs to do because the more he goes out and tries to talk to the people about his vision, the more Republicans will try to make it all about him. And they've already done that, with breathtaking hypocrisy, calling it his crisis, saying he's the one driving the nation toward default, claiming he's more concerned with 2012 elections than dealing with the deficit. It's their favorite way to shift scrutiny away from what they're doing (or not doing).

In fact, the president's job is to sign or veto what Congress sends him. He's decided to let them do THEIR job, which is to iron something out that meets the needs of their constituents. That's the way this whole balance of power is supposed to work. I also think if Obama continues to stay relatively low key, the Republicans' role in default or any other consequences becomes pretty stark.

[Anonymous]

Hey, I especially liked the lack of response from fiscal conservatives in my thread where I asked them where, exactly, they want to cut. You'd have thought there'd be a flood of ideas, responses, etc.

[Anonymous]

Actually Article II Section 3 sounds like he is supposed to kick Congress in the ass sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey, I especially liked the lack of response from fiscal conservatives in my thread where I asked them where, exactly, they want to cut. You'd have thought there'd be a flood of ideas, responses, etc.

Here, I'll do it for them

*waste, fraud, and abuse
*NOT the military
*salaries
*regulation
*earmarks
*special interests
*abuse and fraud and waste
*duplication of work
*inefficiency
*NOT social security or medicare
*Did I say earmarks?
*Waste fraud and abuse
*streamlining
*rightsizing
*earmarks


Look, that's fifteen great ways to cut the government. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Several items on your list were in the list of cuts proposed by Obama and REJECTED by Republicans as "fake":

*waste, fraud, and abuse
*regulation
*earmarks
*special interests
*duplication of work
*inefficiency
*streamlining
*rightsizing


To carry this to the "household budget" analogy Republicans favor so much, what they're proposing is that we will not pay the mortgage or any outstanding credit card bills until the family agrees that 1) we will not seek extra income, because it's too stressful; 2) we will cap our meals at 400 calories per day, 3) have grandma pay for her own nursing home expenses (this way, she can choose for herself which one is best!!) and 4) take our children out of college so they can get jobs in the private sector (Potbelly's is hiring, so is Home Depot).

The mortgage bank, the grocery store, the nursing home and the college will all take a hit since we join thousands of others who can no longer afford their products and services. But at least they're not paying extra taxes (!) so maybe one of them will hire one of us.

USA! USA! USA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Several items on your list were in the list of cuts proposed by Obama and REJECTED by Republicans as "fake":

*waste, fraud, and abuse
*regulation
*earmarks
*special interests
*duplication of work
*inefficiency
*streamlining
*rightsizing


To carry this to the "household budget" analogy Republicans favor so much, what they're proposing is that we will not pay the mortgage or any outstanding credit card bills until the family agrees that 1) we will not seek extra income, because it's too stressful; 2) we will cap our meals at 400 calories per day, 3) have grandma pay for her own nursing home expenses (this way, she can choose for herself which one is best!!) and 4) take our children out of college so they can get jobs in the private sector (Potbelly's is hiring, so is Home Depot).

The mortgage bank, the grocery store, the nursing home and the college will all take a hit since we join thousands of others who can no longer afford their products and services. But at least they're not paying extra taxes (!) so maybe one of them will hire one of us.

USA! USA! USA!

Its over. The Democrats are not up against the GOP anymore. Now they are up against math. Even if you raise taxes less money could easily be collected due to people using many strategies to avoid taxation or even keeping income just below $250000. Additionally the economy will slow down if you penalize people for working hard. The spending is so high now 40% of every dollar spent is borrowed or printed. Bad times are in store for government dependents. Even if there were no GOP in government, conservatives can just sit back and watch the socialism redistribution state implode. This is gonna get good!

[Anonymous]

Why are the republicans able get almost everything they can dream of with control of house while the dems are unable to do anything with control of the house, the senate, and the presidency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are the republicans able get almost everything they can dream of with control of house while the dems are unable to do anything with control of the house, the senate, and the presidency?

Because the combination of the GOP plus MATH....is an unstoppable force.

[Anonymous]

Next spring...the GOP will demand the balanced budget amendment ...but accept repeal of OBAMAcare as a compromise.

[Anonymous]

Bad times are in store for government dependents.

No, fool. Bad times are in store for EVERYONE. But hey yeah, let's celebrate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Bad times are in store for government dependents.

No, fool. Bad times are in store for EVERYONE. But hey yeah, let's celebrate.

Duh...its already been bad times for us private sector types. Now it's the dependents turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the republicans able get almost everything they can dream of with control of house while the dems are unable to do anything with control of the house, the senate, and the presidency?

Because the combination of the GOP plus MATH....is an unstoppable force.

Watch Boehner snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. He is broken. He could barely get his bill through his own house, and only adding a complete non-starter to it. He will disappoint the tea party, and he will not have their votes going forward. Some moderate Republicans are going to give up on solidarity and start voting their own way.

[Anonymous]

Boehner and McConnell can still be heroes to the majority of voters if they are wiling to risk losing some of the TP and allowing Obama to share the glory of doing the responsible thing. And they will have the satisfaction of marginalizing Reid and Pelosi. Will they do it or will they risk having the vast middle blame them for the consequences?

[Anonymous]

Wow this is like watching a football game where the score is 56 to 0 and the winning team's quarter Beohner missing a long pass and has to kick a field goal. So, the losers call it a victory when the back up quarterback comes into the game. LOOK AT THE SCORE BOARD, 3 or 4 trillions in cuts and no revenue. Who cares if the speaker of the house stays or goes, no one outside the beltway know who he is. All they know is the republicans get stuff done, the dems don't. Dems election rally call 2012 "we won't cut as much as the republicans, but if you push us we will" yeah! Go dems!