MOCO parents - how much are we willing to put up with??

[Anonymous]

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Ridicluous! Guess what, many of the rest of us regularly work until 10pm or much, much later during a big project. Guess what else, in the real working world, our bosses do not give us the ENTIRE SUMMER off to spend with our children just because we worked long hours during the rest of the year. I swear, maybe teachers should take a private sector job during the summer just to realize how hard everyone out there really works.

Let me guess, your kids go to private schools. Who cares how those public school kids are educated?

[Anonymous]

You're very angry, PP.

I worked in a nonprofit and in private industry before making the switch. I was one of the few career changers who stayed beyond 5 years. This is my 17th year. While the job has its perk (my summer with my children), it is the most difficult job I've ever had. My 9 to 5 jobs were just that - jobs. I worked mainly with publications. In teaching, I've worked with ESL, SPED, AP and inclusion. Furthermore, I produced a yearbook for the largest school in my county. Doing the yearbook is a job in itself; I know b/c I produced manuals which weren't half that size in other jobs and was paid for ONLY that - layout and publishing. Try teaching English to ESL, "regular ed" and honors students while producing a yearbook for over 2500 students.

Yes, I deserve my summers off. So you can keep your 8 am to 10 pm job for 12 months a year. I make more of an impact on society in one semester than you'll ever make in your entire pathetic life. You don't know the meaning of real work.

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Anonymous wrote:I get it. You're jealous, as are many others, that we have summers off. If you examine the number of hours we put in overtime during the 10 months, we are working a 12-month schedule.

I deal, as does my husband, who's also a teacher. I'm grateful, howeer, knowing that my children are with me during that break - and not in some camp.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire reason why I pay my taxes is to have a good school system. I wouldn't mind a teacher making 200K if he/she is providing an excellent, engaging, conceptual learning experience for my child. I would say that is money very well spent indeed.

And where would you find money to hire enough teachers if you are paying some of them 200K? I think teachers should be well compensated also, but 200K for a 10 month job would be an annual salary of $240K. That's really over the top, PP.

That is so illogical. We're paid for 10 months. We receive NO pay over the summer break. So if you're not good at budgeting, you're one unhappy jobless person for about 5 weeks.

That's exactly what I'm saying. You're paid for TEN months. If you need more money, work 12 months like everybody else.

Ridicluous! Guess what, many of the rest of us regularly work until 10pm or much, much later during a big project. Guess what else, in the real working world, our bosses do not give us the ENTIRE SUMMER off to spend with our children just because we worked long hours during the rest of the year. I swear, maybe teachers should take a private sector job during the summer just to realize how hard everyone out there really works.

[Anonymous]

To the PP who noted that teachers aren't respected in society (and said that they should be paid more-- like doctors, for example). That's hilarious, I know plenty of doctors, primarily internists and pediatricians, who have almost $200k in student loans that will take decades to pay off. These doctors are living hand to mouth and b/c of the loans and the relatively low pay in these specialties. Doctors like these (many of whom are working year-round until 10pm or later) command respect because of their education and because of the great work they do. When will teachers command similar respect --maybe when the education system in this country doesn't routinely fail so many children.

[Anonymous]

You would believe the great teachers one can find in developing countries that are willing to come here and provide great services for half of what teachers today get paid.

Do a little research before you spew ignorance. US teachers are among the lowest paid among European and Asian countries. They are respected for the work they do. And, the parents are deeply involved in educating the children, realizing that indeed, it is equally their job as well as the teacher's job.

[Anonymous]

I know plenty of doctors, primarily internists and pediatricians, who have almost $200k in student loans that will take decades to pay off.

I guess you don't know too many teachers, because they have the same student loans. Most colleges cost 40-50K a year despite the choice of a major. You don't pay more for pre-med than you do for an education major. Within 3 years in the profession, teachers must go back to school to get a master's degree on their own dime.

[Anonymous]

When will teachers command similar respect --maybe when the education system in this country doesn't routinely fail so many children.

Clearly, you haven't a clue about statistics. Our country is routinely passing (with honors) just as many children as they are failing.

Similar respect as doctors?? Hmmm, do we punish doctors based on the numbers of patients who die under their watch? Or, do we realize that there are MANY factors involved with illness (i.e., lifestyle, genetics, etc.)

[Anonymous]

And where would you find money to hire enough teachers if you are paying some of them 200K?

Pay our Congress a teacher's salary. Cut the DOD's budget in half. Ah, I could go on and on here.

[Anonymous]

I swear, maybe teachers should take a private sector job during the summer just to realize how hard everyone out there really works.

And, my dear, I swear that you wouldn't last one minute in a classroom!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When will teachers command similar respect --maybe when the education system in this country doesn't routinely fail so many children.

Clearly, you haven't a clue about statistics. Our country is routinely passing (with honors) just as many children as they are failing.

Similar respect as doctors?? Hmmm, do we punish doctors based on the numbers of patients who die under their watch? Or, do we realize that there are MANY factors involved with illness (i.e., lifestyle, genetics, etc.)

Are you really not capable of understanding the reference to children that they are "failing?" This doesn't mean literally failing the child as in holding the child back - it means failing to really educate the children! That was not so difficult to understand.

In addition, yes, we do judge doctors based on outcome. If you find that your surgeon has 20 open malpractice complaints against him/her, you would likely not choose that surgeon. I think most logical people would understand that there may be many factors at play in medical outcomes, but they will still use common sense and judge the dr. based on outcomes. It seems teachers are the only profession that does not want to be accountable for outcomes. Maybe we need to have educational malpractice for teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You would believe the great teachers one can find in developing countries that are willing to come here and provide great services for half of what teachers today get paid.

Do a little research before you spew ignorance. US teachers are among the lowest paid among European and Asian countries. They are respected for the work they do. And, the parents are deeply involved in educating the children, realizing that indeed, it is equally their job as well as the teacher's job.

Really? How much do you think a teacher in the UK makes? Salaries are lower across the Board in the UK. Moreover, I do not think you read carefully the part that says developING world. Or, if you did, I hope you are teaching geography.

[Anonymous]

It's really tiring having to explain the same issue again and again to the ignorant public.

A doctor with 20 malpractice complaints cannot be compared to a teacher. S/he is dealing with health - bottom line. A teacher (I'll use high school.) may have 150+ students s/he sees in one day for 45 minutes each - who come in with all sorts of issues that aren't educational in nature but that DO affect learning. Let me name a few since you seem to be a bit dense: hunger, abuse (physical, sexual and emotional), and homelessness. A young girl who's in a group home b/c her grandfather raped her each night is not going to find joy in reading Hamlet. She's finally NOW finding joy in school.

So, for many of us, issues above are more the norm than not.

I am constantly amazed at how disturbing these posts are and would love to meet the people behind them. I imagine, PP, that you are one to place blame on others instead of finding fault with yourself, and teachers seem to be the scapegoats.

As teachers, we ARE accountable for our actions. Parents, however, tend not to be, and as a result, we have to remedy society's ills.

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Anonymous wrote:When will teachers command similar respect --maybe when the education system in this country doesn't routinely fail so many children.

Clearly, you haven't a clue about statistics. Our country is routinely passing (with honors) just as many children as they are failing.

Similar respect as doctors?? Hmmm, do we punish doctors based on the numbers of patients who die under their watch? Or, do we realize that there are MANY factors involved with illness (i.e., lifestyle, genetics, etc.)

Are you really not capable of understanding the reference to children that they are "failing?" This doesn't mean literally failing the child as in holding the child back - it means failing to really educate the children! That was not so difficult to understand.

In addition, yes, we do judge doctors based on outcome. If you find that your surgeon has 20 open malpractice complaints against him/her, you would likely not choose that surgeon. I think most logical people would understand that there may be many factors at play in medical outcomes, but they will still use common sense and judge the dr. based on outcomes. It seems teachers are the only profession that does not want to be accountable for outcomes. Maybe we need to have educational malpractice for teachers.

[Anonymous]

Is it true that the school district budget has tripled under Jerry Weast? What did we get for all this extra money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire reason why I pay my taxes is to have a good school system. I wouldn't mind a teacher making 200K if he/she is providing an excellent, engaging, conceptual learning experience for my child. I would say that is money very well spent indeed.

And where would you find money to hire enough teachers if you are paying some of them 200K? I think teachers should be well compensated also, but 200K for a 10 month job would be an annual salary of $240K. That's really over the top, PP.

PP said 200K not 240K. Believe it or not you can spread a 10 month salary over 12 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's really tiring having to explain the same issue again and again to the ignorant public.

A doctor with 20 malpractice complaints cannot be compared to a teacher. S/he is dealing with health - bottom line. A teacher (I'll use high school.) may have 150+ students s/he sees in one day for 45 minutes each - who come in with all sorts of issues that aren't educational in nature but that DO affect learning. Let me name a few since you seem to be a bit dense: hunger, abuse (physical, sexual and emotional), and homelessness. A young girl who's in a group home b/c her grandfather raped her each night is not going to find joy in reading Hamlet. She's finally NOW finding joy in school.

So, for many of us, issues above are more the norm than not.

I am constantly amazed at how disturbing these posts are and would love to meet the people behind them. I imagine, PP, that you are one to place blame on others instead of finding fault with yourself, and teachers seem to be the scapegoats.

As teachers, we ARE accountable for our actions. Parents, however, tend not to be, and as a result, we have to remedy society's ills.


What a self-serving view! In any case, you must know that there is no money to pay your salaries and benefits without drasticslly cutting everything else. This an arithmetic issue, not a moral one.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When will teachers command similar respect --maybe when the education system in this country doesn't routinely fail so many children.

Clearly, you haven't a clue about statistics. Our country is routinely passing (with honors) just as many children as they are failing.

Similar respect as doctors?? Hmmm, do we punish doctors based on the numbers of patients who die under their watch? Or, do we realize that there are MANY factors involved with illness (i.e., lifestyle, genetics, etc.)

Are you really not capable of understanding the reference to children that they are "failing?" This doesn't mean literally failing the child as in holding the child back - it means failing to really educate the children! That was not so difficult to understand.

In addition, yes, we do judge doctors based on outcome. If you find that your surgeon has 20 open malpractice complaints against him/her, you would likely not choose that surgeon. I think most logical people would understand that there may be many factors at play in medical outcomes, but they will still use common sense and judge the dr. based on outcomes. It seems teachers are the only profession that does not want to be accountable for outcomes. Maybe we need to have educational malpractice for teachers.

[Anonymous]

self-serving?

Did you read my post? Who's teaching these kids? certainly NOT you - as you seem to have the empathy of an ant

And preach about money to the CEO of Walmart who makes more in ONE hour than his employees make in a year.

again - preaching to the ignorant public
Thanks for proving my point.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really tiring having to explain the same issue again and again to the ignorant public.

A doctor with 20 malpractice complaints cannot be compared to a teacher. S/he is dealing with health - bottom line. A teacher (I'll use high school.) may have 150+ students s/he sees in one day for 45 minutes each - who come in with all sorts of issues that aren't educational in nature but that DO affect learning. Let me name a few since you seem to be a bit dense: hunger, abuse (physical, sexual and emotional), and homelessness. A young girl who's in a group home b/c her grandfather raped her each night is not going to find joy in reading Hamlet. She's finally NOW finding joy in school.

So, for many of us, issues above are more the norm than not.

I am constantly amazed at how disturbing these posts are and would love to meet the people behind them. I imagine, PP, that you are one to place blame on others instead of finding fault with yourself, and teachers seem to be the scapegoats.

As teachers, we ARE accountable for our actions. Parents, however, tend not to be, and as a result, we have to remedy society's ills.


What a self-serving view! In any case, you must know that there is no money to pay your salaries and benefits without drasticslly cutting everything else. This an arithmetic issue, not a moral one.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When will teachers command similar respect --maybe when the education system in this country doesn't routinely fail so many children.

Clearly, you haven't a clue about statistics. Our country is routinely passing (with honors) just as many children as they are failing.

Similar respect as doctors?? Hmmm, do we punish doctors based on the numbers of patients who die under their watch? Or, do we realize that there are MANY factors involved with illness (i.e., lifestyle, genetics, etc.)

Are you really not capable of understanding the reference to children that they are "failing?" This doesn't mean literally failing the child as in holding the child back - it means failing to really educate the children! That was not so difficult to understand.

In addition, yes, we do judge doctors based on outcome. If you find that your surgeon has 20 open malpractice complaints against him/her, you would likely not choose that surgeon. I think most logical people would understand that there may be many factors at play in medical outcomes, but they will still use common sense and judge the dr. based on outcomes. It seems teachers are the only profession that does not want to be accountable for outcomes. Maybe we need to have educational malpractice for teachers.