
Yup. Stalin's Russia was a crime-free paradise. Unless you count the executions, state-sanctioned murders, and all that as crime. |
But doesn't that pale in comparison to all of the religious wars fought throughout history? |
I love how non religious people blame all the hateful rhetoric on the religious folks and yet here they are on this forum spewing hateful rhetoric. Ironic or just hypocritical?
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Members of the Mormon faith are raised with a martyr mindset and believe that they are persecuted when other folks don't agree with them. Take prop 8 for example. Mormon Church supports a ballot initiative and then claims persecution for negative press. |
What is wrong with that? The have-to-be-good ideal is for the religious people. The non religious people are already sinners. |
Never said I thought that. My mom thinks that. I'm atheist. |
New Atheists are totally obnoxious. They are too immature to have a sustained discussion, instead they just want to insult people.
It's not even a really defensible position - even Dawkins says he's agnostic. |
How is atheism any less defensible than christianity? |
My impatience with all things Christian has come from many years of negative interactions. When your queer, you see the worst a religion has to offer. Even admitting I'm an atheist has brought out the worst in normal Christians. People think it is fine to insult me to my face and call me names. It seems to be some sort of affront to their religion to say that I don't think there are any gods. Also, unlike other religions, Christianity commands its followers to go out and convert. Some followers feel that this gives them the right to act like assholes to people who don't believe as they do. It seems to give everyone the right to tell me that my belief system is wrong and that I should believe in their god. That is offensive to me.
There are many reasons I believe the way I do, but no one can answer my real questions about religion. It is much easier to stick to the imaginary things arguments. |
I'm an atheist. I've certainly been on the recieving end of a lot of "you must be intolerant and eat babies" type comments as well as "your beliefs are bogus because you can't prove it" (irony).
I respect anyone who is respectful regardless of of their personal beliefs. Am I critical of some religious beliefs? Of course. But I won't disrespect you for them as long as you are respectful of others. As for the agnostics vs. atheists.... technically agnostics are either theistic or atheistic. I could probably be considered an agnostic atheist since I don't accept that gods have been disproven (they can neither be proven or disproven) and I don't think that I "know". |
Well, can we at least slam Scientology? |
But truthfully, they have every right to their opinion. However, they should know going into something like prop 8 that there could be negative press. They did complain about the inaccuracies. BTW, the majority of people who voted for prop 8 were NOT Mormon. |
Personally, I think you can slam any religion you want here. That's the beauty of DCUM- it's the only place I know of where you can find out what the people around you really think of you. You can't slam people to their faces, for the most part. But you can say what you really think here and if Mormons or Scientologists or Catholics don't want to know what Atheists or Agnostics or Jews or Quakers really think of them, then they don't have to read. It's simple. I find it very interesting to know what people really think. |
You're lumping all christians together. The minister at our church is openly gay. I was married by a different, openly gay minister. |
Members of the Mormon faith are raised with a martyr mindset and believe that they are persecuted when other folks don't agree with
They certainly have the right to their opinion, but they shouldn't expect that they won't be disagreed with. Disagreement is not persecution. The Mormon church took a political position in an election, which churches are not supposed to do. They have excommuniated members of the church for dissent on this issue, and yet the Mormon church is the victim - please. |