bark collar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP you are weird. All collars are different. As are the dogs and their reactions. People using them on youtube is just strange. The poster you are arguing with went with her personal experience rather than one on youtube. As she should.

I agree, people who shock themselves on Youtube are strange. So are people who insist that what they see must be really something else altogether. I'm going with my experience of seeing videos on Youtube that show shock collars are inhumane rather than listening to a PP (who obviously doesn't even own a dog).

(And I don't think it's weird to stand up for dogs, who are at the mercy of whatever owner they happen to get, including those who convince themselves that squealing in pain is really squealing in surprise because that's waht they read on an anonymous website, posted by someone who had 'firsthand experience' using a shock collar on their arm.)

[Anonymous]

When you get a shock collar the instructions are very clear. You start on the lowest setting (which most dogs can't even feel) and work your way up until the dog responds--usually by stopping/showing surprise. Different dogs have different thresholds for discomfort and you have to find the right level. Once you start training with the shock collar you always start out by using a tone only and use the shock only if the tone gets no response. Most dogs learn very quickly what the tone means and rarely if ever need to be shocked.

If the dog is squealing in pain that's user error--the setting is WAY too high. Humane dog owners would obviously never let it get to that point. (Unlike YouTube posters who are doing it for effect only.). I can honestly say that I would much rather have the brief shock from a shock collar than a blast of citronella in my face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you get a shock collar the instructions are very clear. You start on the lowest setting (which most dogs can't even feel) and work your way up until the dog responds--usually by stopping/showing surprise. Different dogs have different thresholds for discomfort and you have to find the right level. Once you start training with the shock collar you always start out by using a tone only and use the shock only if the tone gets no response. Most dogs learn very quickly what the tone means and rarely if ever need to be shocked.

If the dog is squealing in pain that's user error--the setting is WAY too high. Humane dog owners would obviously never let it get to that point. (Unlike YouTube posters who are doing it for effect only.). I can honestly say that I would much rather have the brief shock from a shock collar than a blast of citronella in my face.

Thank you for this very reasonable explanation.

[Anonymous]

You are a stranger posting on the internet therefore what you say is no different than the youtube videos to me or anyone else reading this. Your "first hand experience" is not as credible as videos where I can see for myself that the people are being SHOCKED to the point of pain, and NOT feeling the spark of static electricity. Did you not see the woman HOLDING THE COLLAR UP TO HER NECK, not WEARING IT AROUND HER NECK? Did not see the man turning the collar from SETTING ONE TO SETTING SIX? Again, I am not a dog, but when I see a dog that appears to be squealing in pain I won't waste my time trying to find a way to believe it is really just squealing out of shock. I have experienced static shock while petting a dog and as I said before, they have NEVER "squealed in shock" from the experience.

If i am a 'crazy poster' then so are you for continuing to bark up this tree right next to me.

I didn't watch any of your videos because I don't need to see a video to know what it felt like- I EXPERIENCED IT FIRSTHAND MYSELF! Seeing wierdos on youtube shocking themselves proves nothing other than there are lots of wackadoodles out there. Do you have children? I'm going to post the link to a youtube video of a labor and delivery and make the case that it is EXACTLY what you experienced, regardless of your firsthand objections to my argument.

My own dog, who passed away a few years ago, used to shriek and yelp every time someone came to the door. No barking, just yelping. It was horribly embarrassing because I worried people would think we were beating the dog or something. I guarantee you he wasn't in pain . . . he just did that whenever he was excited for any reason. Sometimes he also yelped in his sleep - I suspect he had bad dreams or something. But he wasn't in pain.

I'm signing off this discussion - have fun posting more youtube videos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You are a stranger posting on the internet therefore what you say is no different than the youtube videos to me or anyone else reading this. Your "first hand experience" is not as credible as videos where I can see for myself that the people are being SHOCKED to the point of pain, and NOT feeling the spark of static electricity. Did you not see the woman HOLDING THE COLLAR UP TO HER NECK, not WEARING IT AROUND HER NECK? Did not see the man turning the collar from SETTING ONE TO SETTING SIX? Again, I am not a dog, but when I see a dog that appears to be squealing in pain I won't waste my time trying to find a way to believe it is really just squealing out of shock. I have experienced static shock while petting a dog and as I said before, they have NEVER "squealed in shock" from the experience.

If i am a 'crazy poster' then so are you for continuing to bark up this tree right next to me.

I didn't watch any of your videos because I don't need to see a video to know what it felt like- I EXPERIENCED IT FIRSTHAND MYSELF! Seeing wierdos on youtube shocking themselves proves nothing other than there are lots of wackadoodles out there. Do you have children? I'm going to post the link to a youtube video of a labor and delivery and make the case that it is EXACTLY what you experienced, regardless of your firsthand objections to my argument.

My own dog, who passed away a few years ago, used to shriek and yelp every time someone came to the door. No barking, just yelping. It was horribly embarrassing because I worried people would think we were beating the dog or something. I guarantee you he wasn't in pain . . . he just did that whenever he was excited for any reason. Sometimes he also yelped in his sleep - I suspect he had bad dreams or something. But he wasn't in pain.

I'm signing off this discussion - have fun posting more youtube videos.

Do you get this upset whenever people disagree with you or just on DCUM?