Smart or rude: people who do what they want

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

Declining to return the shopping cart does inconvenience someone though- the worker who has to corral all the carts at the end of the day. Parking in the fire lane in OP’s example actually caused 0 harm to anyone.

I worked at a grocery store, and there was a guy whose only job was to gather carts. So putting them back yourself took away his job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s called being a man OP. and yes, women could do with a little more of it.

I’m a woman and I’ve done what that guy did. Agree with pp, it’s common sense.

Do you also park in red curb fire lanes because you're just going to be a minute?

Fire lanes are meant to be potentially used at any time. Bus lanes aren't. Our school doesn't even have visitor parking, so I always use the bus lane.

[Anonymous]

Better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

Declining to return the shopping cart does inconvenience someone though- the worker who has to corral all the carts at the end of the day. Parking in the fire lane in OP’s example actually caused 0 harm to anyone.

Returning shopping carts could cause unemployment for cart wranglers. Please don't return your shopping carts, if you care about these highly skilled employees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s called being a man OP. and yes, women could do with a little more of it.

I’m a woman and I’ve done what that guy did. Agree with pp, it’s common sense.

Do you also park in red curb fire lanes because you're just going to be a minute?

Fire lanes are meant to be potentially used at any time. Bus lanes aren't. Our school doesn't even have visitor parking, so I always use the bus lane.

You have a calendar for all the extra curricular activities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

Declining to return the shopping cart does inconvenience someone though- the worker who has to corral all the carts at the end of the day. Parking in the fire lane in OP’s example actually caused 0 harm to anyone.

Returning shopping carts could cause unemployment for cart wranglers. Please don't return your shopping carts, if you care about these highly skilled employees.

Spoken like someone who's never worked at a grocery store.

But you possess the attitude of someone I'd expect to never return their shopping cart, so it all checks out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

This drives me NUTS! Our vacation house is in one of the most expensive beach areas on the east coast and going to the grocery store here drives me insane because 9/10 people just leave their cart strewn about wherever. The entitlement of the people who do this drive me nuts. I don’t see it in less ritzy areas and I’m appalled by it. The people who do this take up extra parking spots in a crowded area by not putting their carts back and they create way more work for the poor employees who get tasked to go around and collect them from all over. I’ve started teaching my kids that this is an easy lesson in how to tell if someone is a good person or not, and now we all watch as we are leaving who puts them back. It’s absolutely antisocial behavior to think civility doesn’t apply to you.

Rant aside, OP I think you were fine to do the right thing, and I also think that dad wasn’t a jerk either given the circumstances. Unlike the grocery carts, I don’t think this one is so black and white!

Agree. I also use the shopping cart point to teach my kids about laziness/entitlement/inconsideration.

I have no problem with the dad's parking though, if his task only took a few minutes. The odds of anyone needing the fire lane in that window are vanishingly small. Parking in a handicapped spot is a different story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would’ve done what you did, OP. You don’t know if a bus or another vehicle authorized to use that area could show up when you’re there. What if another grade is returning from a field trip by bus at that time? What if a school maintenance van showed up right then to fix an issue at school? I used to work at a school and these vehicles are coming and going all the time. No parent will know the whole schedule. The dad who parked there got lucky.

About holding the door…I’d hold the door if I knew the person was another parent. If I didn’t know who they were, I wouldn’t.

This they are a ton of fields trips this time of year

[Anonymous]

The one time I finally went ahead did just that, the school sent an email the next day about not parking in the bus lane during the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The one time I finally went ahead did just that, the school sent an email the next day about not parking in the bus lane during the day.

Who gave them the authority to enforce rules on a public roadway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

This drives me NUTS! Our vacation house is in one of the most expensive beach areas on the east coast and going to the grocery store here drives me insane because 9/10 people just leave their cart strewn about wherever. The entitlement of the people who do this drive me nuts. I don’t see it in less ritzy areas and I’m appalled by it. The people who do this take up extra parking spots in a crowded area by not putting their carts back and they create way more work for the poor employees who get tasked to go around and collect them from all over. I’ve started teaching my kids that this is an easy lesson in how to tell if someone is a good person or not, and now we all watch as we are leaving who puts them back. It’s absolutely antisocial behavior to think civility doesn’t apply to you.

Rant aside, OP I think you were fine to do the right thing, and I also think that dad wasn’t a jerk either given the circumstances. Unlike the grocery carts, I don’t think this one is so black and white!

Agree. I also use the shopping cart point to teach my kids about laziness/entitlement/inconsideration.

I have no problem with the dad's parking though, if his task only took a few minutes. The odds of anyone needing the fire lane in that window are vanishingly small. Parking in a handicapped spot is a different story.

I agree 100%. We should all start parking in fire lanes because they are rarely used.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

Declining to return the shopping cart does inconvenience someone though- the worker who has to corral all the carts at the end of the day. Parking in the fire lane in OP’s example actually caused 0 harm to anyone.

I worked at a grocery store, and there was a guy whose only job was to gather carts. So putting them back yourself took away his job.

Or instead, it takes him longer to complete the task. He’s assigned, collect the carts and he’s penalized for taking too long and fired.

Eventually you end up with the stupid ALDI approach where you have to put a coin in to get a cart or just higher prices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

Declining to return the shopping cart does inconvenience someone though- the worker who has to corral all the carts at the end of the day. Parking in the fire lane in OP’s example actually caused 0 harm to anyone.

I worked at a grocery store, and there was a guy whose only job was to gather carts. So putting them back yourself took away his job.

LOL. He gathers the carts from the corrals.

I have to say one reason I like WF Tenley is nobody ever leaves a cart in the parking area. (At least downstairs.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this reminds me of the Shopping Cart Theory - a concept suggesting that returning a grocery cart to a designated corral evaluates moral character. Because returning the cart yields no reward and skipping it carries no punishment, this voluntary act measures a person's civic duty, empathy, and personal discipline.

Here's the AI overview:
Unsupervised Integrity: It tests whether an individual will do the right thing simply because it is correct, rather than to avoid penalties

Empathy: It shows consideration for store employees and fellow shoppers who rely on clear parking spots and orderly cart returns

Ownership vs. Entitlement: Leaving a cart in a parking space demonstrates entitlement (the expectation that someone else will handle it), while returning it demonstrates ownership of responsibilities

Declining to return the shopping cart does inconvenience someone though- the worker who has to corral all the carts at the end of the day. Parking in the fire lane in OP’s example actually caused 0 harm to anyone.

I worked at a grocery store, and there was a guy whose only job was to gather carts. So putting them back yourself took away his job.

What grocery store? How long ago was this?

Every grocery store I know rotates most tasks. I know that's the case at Trader Joe's - it's no one's job to return carts. Everyone does everything but they rotate in/out.

People who illegally park are definitely the same people who leave their carts in the lot, and are also the same people who treat service workers like they're beneath them. All of these are red flags when it comes to personality traits.

[Anonymous]

Quick hypocrisy check! How many of you:

1) Bring drinks or snacks into the movie theater, even though that is forbidden?

2) Drive over the posted speed limit?

3) Duck into a bathroom at a store even when you don’t purchase anything, even when the sign says the restrooms are for customers only?

Just making sure you’re all perfect, all the time.