Montgomery County At-Large - help me choose

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

Nobody wants to voluntarily listen to that bloviator.

[Anonymous]

Prabu Selvam is definitely worth taking a look at. He's my choice or help unseat LAS.

https://prabuselvam.com/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also don't reward Silvestre for the disaster that MCPS BOE was this year.

+1 Silvestre needs to be out of office. She told someone as she wants the council job so she can downsize from having two jobs (Montgomery College and the BOE) to having just one job that has staff.

That is a bad reason to run for public office and the public deserves better.

Can’t stand Silverste. She told a roomful of parents with medically fragile kids that she has to consider the whole county, not just their families (mask mandates early 2022). Whatever you think of masks, she proceeded to tell these families that they should not have met with her because it was already clear how she was going to vote. Won’t forgive her for that

[Anonymous]

Anybody but Sayles

[Anonymous]

McNulty and Goldberg. Silvestre is okay but she and McNulty both likely up for that 4th seat and he’s the better candidate of the two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

It absolutely does

So get specific. Why do you not like Elrich and what appeals to the “ignorant” people who support him”?

I look at the range of contenders for at-large and other positions. Not a great choice in the bunch. At least Elrich, in my opinion, is grounded in facts and reality and is not pandering (looking at you Fani Gonzalez, Friedson, and Glass) to special interests.

I would need to write a book to describe all the ways in which Elrich is terrible. If you haven't been paying attention I can't help you.

I have been paying attention. I like Elrich. He’s the adult in the room and not a performative progressive who is all-the-while pandering to developers and special interests à la NFG. So again, please get specific.

NINBY alert! NIMBY alert!

Here’s an Elrich article: https://montgomeryperspective.com/2024/05/29/why-cant-elrich-just-shut-up/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t vote for anyone endorsed by the YIMBYs, they are just sell outs to developers and could care less about your quality of life

Don’t vote for anyone endorsed by the NIMBYs; they are championing exclusionary economic policy under the guise of progressivism. (I fixed the comma splice for you!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

This is a common NIMBY talking point. Nobody is actively trying to demolish all single-family housing in the county. The kind of development you mentioned above as good development is development that YIMBYs on the council support and NIMBYs on the council oppose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

Nobody wants to voluntarily listen to that bloviator.

Give him credit now, he's a bloviator with brains.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t vote for anyone endorsed by the YIMBYs, they are just sell outs to developers and could care less about your quality of life

Don’t vote for anyone endorsed by the NIMBYs; they are championing exclusionary economic policy under the guise of progressivism. (I fixed the comma splice for you!)

Oh dear, I don't want to make a mistake at the polls. Can you direct me to the NIMBY Coalition website so I know who not to vote for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

This is a common NIMBY talking point. Nobody is actively trying to demolish all single-family housing in the county. The kind of development you mentioned above as good development is development that YIMBYs on the council support and NIMBYs on the council oppose.

This is a common YIMBY disingenuous misdirection. PP did not talk about demolishing all single family housing. PP did talk about allowing higher densities, the undesirability of that for existing resident neighbors and the infrastructure problems increased by that development, with individual lower-cost SFHs sacrificed for those builds and effective giveaways from the common wealth (incentives mentioned, but could simply be the socialization of burden to privatize benefit represented by such allowances).

And who are these NIMBYs on the council, anyway? Has anyone successfully defended any of Elrich's positions as CE against the YIMBY crowd?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

This is a common NIMBY talking point. Nobody is actively trying to demolish all single-family housing in the county. The kind of development you mentioned above as good development is development that YIMBYs on the council support and NIMBYs on the council oppose.

This is a common YIMBY disingenuous misdirection. PP did not talk about demolishing all single family housing. PP did talk about allowing higher densities, the undesirability of that for existing resident neighbors and the infrastructure problems increased by that development, with individual lower-cost SFHs sacrificed for those builds and effective giveaways from the common wealth (incentives mentioned, but could simply be the socialization of burden to privatize benefit represented by such allowances).

And who are these NIMBYs on the council, anyway? Has anyone successfully defended any of Elrich's positions as CE against the YIMBY crowd?

Jawando and Mink. Possibly Katz?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

This is a common NIMBY talking point. Nobody is actively trying to demolish all single-family housing in the county. The kind of development you mentioned above as good development is development that YIMBYs on the council support and NIMBYs on the council oppose.

This is a common YIMBY disingenuous misdirection. PP did not talk about demolishing all single family housing. PP did talk about allowing higher densities, the undesirability of that for existing resident neighbors and the infrastructure problems increased by that development, with individual lower-cost SFHs sacrificed for those builds and effective giveaways from the common wealth (incentives mentioned, but could simply be the socialization of burden to privatize benefit represented by such allowances).

And who are these NIMBYs on the council, anyway? Has anyone successfully defended any of Elrich's positions as CE against the YIMBY crowd?

Nobody’s successfully done it because there seem to be three NIMBYs at most, which is great! They might pick up a few seats Tuesday, but no way they get a majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Erlich is horrible. Just horrible. The fact he will likely be back on the Council is a testament to the ignorance for voters

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to understand why Elrich appeals to so many voters. It has nothing to do with those voters being ignorant.

Can you explain it to me? I’m a lifelong Montgomery County resident and a liberal Democrat and I have never understood it.

Sure. Lots of Montgomery County voters don't want upzoning. Sure, if there's a big empty plot of land near a metro station, go ahead and build an apartment building there (see White Flint). But in neighborhoods full of single family homes, people don't want a bunch of quadplexes and townhouses on their street. And they don't understand how demolishing SFHs that cost $600K, and building townhomes that cost $900K, helps the affordability problem. Finally, they understand that our roads and schools are already stressed, and so we need to be careful about the development that happens.

Just read through Elrich's newsletters, and you'll see that Elrich thoughtfully addresses everything I mentioned above (and much more):
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/news?search=&fromDate=&toDate=&category=&department=&newsType=257&page=0

The YIMBYs can yell, scream and belittle the Elrich supporters all they want. It is not going to change the fact that it's a significant voting block. And no they're not ignorant just because they believe that unchecked development and endless incentives to developers are not good for the county.

This is a common NIMBY talking point. Nobody is actively trying to demolish all single-family housing in the county. The kind of development you mentioned above as good development is development that YIMBYs on the council support and NIMBYs on the council oppose.

This is a common YIMBY disingenuous misdirection. PP did not talk about demolishing all single family housing. PP did talk about allowing higher densities, the undesirability of that for existing resident neighbors and the infrastructure problems increased by that development, with individual lower-cost SFHs sacrificed for those builds and effective giveaways from the common wealth (incentives mentioned, but could simply be the socialization of burden to privatize benefit represented by such allowances).

And who are these NIMBYs on the council, anyway? Has anyone successfully defended any of Elrich's positions as CE against the YIMBY crowd?

Jawando and Mink. Possibly Katz?

Laughable. Anti-giveaway isn't exactly NIMBY, and none of what they ever did involved more than signaling. Mink was pretty much against only the U Blvd plan, which is where her district was vocally in opposition.

And Katz never seemed to do anything either way on the subject besides throw up his hands and ask, "What else are we supposed to do?" when always voting with the more aggressive/vocal YIMBY majority.