$424,084 in Teacher salaries going to EV bus company instead

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

Would you like to answer the question? What would be an appropriate minimum salary for a 15-year teacher?

DP

I have been in my job for 15 years and make around $180k (I have been promoted more quickly than other colleagues). I can absolutely see $108k being low for a high performer with 15 years of experience. The problem is there is no real way to reward the best performers except for them to move into non teaching jobs.

First, like the PP, you didn't answer the question. I get that many people think that $108k is "too low." Great. So what should the minimum salary be?

Also, are you suggesting that since you make $180k, teachers should as well? All jobs should be paid the same?

You're referring to $108k as the "minimum" which implies only a small portion of teachers with 15 years of experience make that much. $108k is not a "minimum" it is the salary for 10 month MCPS teachers with a master's degree. With additional education credits they can get up to $115k with 15 years

If $108k-$115k was a minimum and not the entire range for that level of experience, I would say that is totally fine. I am of the opinion though that excellent teachers should be able make more money than that after 15.years. I realize that the union would not be supportive of such an approach and they prefer to fight instead for across the board increases. Which is fine as inflation goes up, but I think that level is in line with other public sector professionals with similar levels of experience and education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

Would you like to answer the question? What would be an appropriate minimum salary for a 15-year teacher?

DP

I have been in my job for 15 years and make around $180k (I have been promoted more quickly than other colleagues). I can absolutely see $108k being low for a high performer with 15 years of experience. The problem is there is no real way to reward the best performers except for them to move into non teaching jobs.

First, like the PP, you didn't answer the question. I get that many people think that $108k is "too low." Great. So what should the minimum salary be?

Also, are you suggesting that since you make $180k, teachers should as well? All jobs should be paid the same?

You're referring to $108k as the "minimum" which implies only a small portion of teachers with 15 years of experience make that much. $108k is not a "minimum" it is the salary for 10 month MCPS teachers with a master's degree. With additional education credits they can get up to $115k with 15 years

If $108k-$115k was a minimum and not the entire range for that level of experience, I would say that is totally fine. I am of the opinion though that excellent teachers should be able make more money than that after 15.years. I realize that the union would not be supportive of such an approach and they prefer to fight instead for across the board increases. Which is fine as inflation goes up, but I think that level is in line with other public sector professionals with similar levels of experience and education.

Your final sentence is unclear, but you write, "I think that level is in line with other public sector professionals with similar levels of experience and education." I take that to mean that you think $108k is fine; if that's incorrect, what does that sentence mean?

Also, how should MCPS define excellence? Who makes that determination? And, if one is an "excellent" teacher, what should they make at the 15 year mark? Please be more specific than "more."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

Would you like to answer the question? What would be an appropriate minimum salary for a 15-year teacher?

DP

I have been in my job for 15 years and make around $180k (I have been promoted more quickly than other colleagues). I can absolutely see $108k being low for a high performer with 15 years of experience. The problem is there is no real way to reward the best performers except for them to move into non teaching jobs.

First, like the PP, you didn't answer the question. I get that many people think that $108k is "too low." Great. So what should the minimum salary be?

Also, are you suggesting that since you make $180k, teachers should as well? All jobs should be paid the same?

You're referring to $108k as the "minimum" which implies only a small portion of teachers with 15 years of experience make that much. $108k is not a "minimum" it is the salary for 10 month MCPS teachers with a master's degree. With additional education credits they can get up to $115k with 15 years

If $108k-$115k was a minimum and not the entire range for that level of experience, I would say that is totally fine. I am of the opinion though that excellent teachers should be able make more money than that after 15.years. I realize that the union would not be supportive of such an approach and they prefer to fight instead for across the board increases. Which is fine as inflation goes up, but I think that level is in line with other public sector professionals with similar levels of experience and education.

Your final sentence is unclear, but you write, "I think that level is in line with other public sector professionals with similar levels of experience and education." I take that to mean that you think $108k is fine; if that's incorrect, what does that sentence mean?

Also, how should MCPS define excellence? Who makes that determination? And, if one is an "excellent" teacher, what should they make at the 15 year mark? Please be more specific than "more."

Wow you sound very demanding and angry. It is not my job to set MCPS salary scales or determine how much teachers should be paid for strong performance. I would study compensation structures in other organizations and go from there. As far as how excellence should be defined, go to any other workplace where it is essentially defined by the supervisor.

As far as whether I think $108k is fine as a baseline, as I said, "If $108k-$115k was a minimum and not the entire range for that level of experience, I would say that is totally fine."

Maybe go take a walk outside? It is really nice out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

The median income for someone with a humanities/liberal arts degree in the DC metro area is $87k. $108k isn't bad, especially when you throw in another $5-10k for summer employment.

Where are you buying a house in MoCo with a family on that salary? Get real. Teachers don’t go into the field to get rich. Stop bringing up their salaries. It’s the idiots in charge who mess everything up. Leave the teachers out of it.

Did you miss the title of the thread?

Again. LEAVE THE TEACHERS OUT OF IT. They don't control salaries in any way, shape, or form. No negotiations. Nothing. The OP wrote the title. If you have a problem with MCPS and teacher salaries, look to CO. Stop going to the people at the bottom of the totem pole because they are the most accessible. That is lazy.

[Anonymous]

It's a really really good idea to have EV buses right now, as who knows what the price of oil will be in the US soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

Would you like to answer the question? What would be an appropriate minimum salary for a 15-year teacher?

The question is why is Taylor paying the salary of a BusPatrol employee?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

The median income for someone with a humanities/liberal arts degree in the DC metro area is $87k. $108k isn't bad, especially when you throw in another $5-10k for summer employment.

Where are you buying a house in MoCo with a family on that salary? Get real. Teachers don’t go into the field to get rich. Stop bringing up their salaries. It’s the idiots in charge who mess everything up. Leave the teachers out of it.

Did you miss the title of the thread?

Again. LEAVE THE TEACHERS OUT OF IT. They don't control salaries in any way, shape, or form. No negotiations. Nothing. The OP wrote the title. If you have a problem with MCPS and teacher salaries, look to CO. Stop going to the people at the bottom of the totem pole because they are the most accessible. That is lazy.

Huh? I don't understand this reaction. Any discussion of teacher pay-- on a thread that talks about teacher pay in the title-- is an attack on teachers?

[Anonymous]

Seems like a good idea to go full EV right now, unless you want those buses filling up at $6 per gallon this fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a good idea to go full EV right now, unless you want those buses filling up at $6 per gallon this fall.

Did you do the math? Diesel $16M a year, EV $32M a year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a good idea to go full EV right now, unless you want those buses filling up at $6 per gallon this fall.

Did you do the math? Diesel $16M a year, EV $32M a year.

Even with gas costs, it’s cheaper. How much do they pay in gas vs electricity? Either way they pay to run them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a good idea to go full EV right now, unless you want those buses filling up at $6 per gallon this fall.

Did you do the math? Diesel $16M a year, EV $32M a year.

Even with gas costs, it’s cheaper. How much do they pay in gas vs electricity? Either way they pay to run them.

Not even close. EV is way more. Did you forget the EV contract award was rigged?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a good idea to go full EV right now, unless you want those buses filling up at $6 per gallon this fall.

Did you do the math? Diesel $16M a year, EV $32M a year.

Even with gas costs, it’s cheaper. How much do they pay in gas vs electricity?

Either way they pay to run them.

Not even close. EV is way more. Did you forget the EV contract award was rigged?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

The median income for someone with a humanities/liberal arts degree in the DC metro area is $87k. $108k isn't bad, especially when you throw in another $5-10k for summer employment.

Where are you buying a house in MoCo with a family on that salary? Get real. Teachers don’t go into the field to get rich. Stop bringing up their salaries. It’s the idiots in charge who mess everything up. Leave the teachers out of it.

Did you miss the title of the thread?

Again. LEAVE THE TEACHERS OUT OF IT. They don't control salaries in any way, shape, or form. No negotiations. Nothing. The OP wrote the title. If you have a problem with MCPS and teacher salaries, look to CO. Stop going to the people at the bottom of the totem pole because they are the most accessible. That is lazy.

Huh? I don't understand this reaction. Any discussion of teacher pay-- on a thread that talks about teacher pay in the title-- is an attack on teachers?

Did you read the article or nah. Stop associating teacher salaries with everything MCPS. Article just stated the amount. OP trying to start fights by associating waste with salaries. And then other people have to chime in with why they make too much. It’s old and tiresome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Teachers make enough already.

What an odd comment to make.

I am not the PP, but a 15 year teacher makes a minimum of $108,000. If you think that's insufficient, what to you think would be appropriate?

If it takes 15 years to make 6 figures then you figure it out big brain. Another idiot comment.

The median income for someone with a humanities/liberal arts degree in the DC metro area is $87k. $108k isn't bad, especially when you throw in another $5-10k for summer employment.

Where are you buying a house in MoCo with a family on that salary? Get real. Teachers don’t go into the field to get rich. Stop bringing up their salaries. It’s the idiots in charge who mess everything up. Leave the teachers out of it.

Did you miss the title of the thread?

Again. LEAVE THE TEACHERS OUT OF IT. They don't control salaries in any way, shape, or form. No negotiations. Nothing. The OP wrote the title. If you have a problem with MCPS and teacher salaries, look to CO. Stop going to the people at the bottom of the totem pole because they are the most accessible. That is lazy.

Huh? I don't understand this reaction. Any discussion of teacher pay-- on a thread that talks about teacher pay in the title-- is an attack on teachers?

Did you read the article or nah. Stop associating teacher salaries with everything MCPS. Article just stated the amount. OP trying to start fights by associating waste with salaries. And then other people have to chime in with why they make too much. It’s old and tiresome.

The OP brought up salaries. But no one is saying salaries are waste.

"$424,084 in Teacher salaries going to EV bus company instead"

"This is where Taylor spends teacher salaries. This is the MCPS operating budget. This is money that could be paying teachers."

You should work on your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a good idea to go full EV right now, unless you want those buses filling up at $6 per gallon this fall.

Did you do the math? Diesel $16M a year, EV $32M a year.

Even with gas costs, it’s cheaper. How much do they pay in gas vs electricity?

Either way they pay to run them.

Not even close. EV is way more. Did you forget the EV contract award was rigged?

I don't really care either way, but some people don't want diesel engines near them. Janis presumably wants more EV buses based on her fear of diesel engines, for instance.