I Heard That Some Schools Are Punishing Kids for Doing ICE Walk Outs - Is Your School Doing the Same?

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Anonymous wrote:They can protest before, after school and weekends.

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Explain to me how kids skipping school to display their herd mentality on some issue they have no knowledge or experience of is supposed to make adults take them more seriously

You think DC area high school students have no knowledge or understanding of what our federal government is going right now regarding immigration enforcement? Mine sure do!

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Anonymous wrote:They can protest before, after school and weekends.

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Explain to me how kids skipping school to display their herd mentality on some issue they have no knowledge or experience of is supposed to make adults take them more seriously

You think DC area high school students have no knowledge or understanding of what our federal government is going right now regarding immigration enforcement? Mine sure do!

From what... reading the papers? Quoting what their parents tell them? Talking to other teens in a 95% blue city?

How do your kids think we should secure the border? How do they think asylum claims should work? Visas? What services should illegal immigrants have access to and why? How exactlty should the law be enforced? Should families be separated or kept together? What if one's illegal and the others aren't? If your kids have fully-developed views on all these things as part of a moral and rational framework that actually hangs together... then I don't know how they'd have a minute left for any of their classes.

Great questions!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They can protest before, after school and weekends.

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Explain to me how kids skipping school to display their herd mentality on some issue they have no knowledge or experience of is supposed to make adults take them more seriously

You think DC area high school students have no knowledge or understanding of what our federal government is going right now regarding immigration enforcement? Mine sure do!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can protest before, after school and weekends.

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Explain to me how kids skipping school to display their herd mentality on some issue they have no knowledge or experience of is supposed to make adults take them more seriously

You think DC area high school students have no knowledge or understanding of what our federal government is going right now regarding immigration enforcement? Mine sure do!

From what... reading the papers? Quoting what their parents tell them? Talking to other teens in a 95% blue city?

How do your kids think we should secure the border? How do they think asylum claims should work? Visas? What services should illegal immigrants have access to and why? How exactlty should the law be enforced? Should families be separated or kept together? What if one's illegal and the others aren't? If your kids have fully-developed views on all these things as part of a moral and rational framework that actually hangs together... then I don't know how they'd have a minute left for any of their classes.

You need fully developed answers to every policy question in order to care about an issue? That’s not what the First Amendment says! High school students have seen what unfolded in Minneapolis. They know right from wrong and when the government is abusing its power against its own citizens even. That is enough for a basis to get engaged in social action and protest. Mine is 18, old enough to vote, and knows what’s up!

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Anonymous wrote:They can protest before, after school and weekends.

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Explain to me how kids skipping school to display their herd mentality on some issue they have no knowledge or experience of is supposed to make adults take them more seriously

You think DC area high school students have no knowledge or understanding of what our federal government is going right now regarding immigration enforcement? Mine sure do!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can protest before, after school and weekends.

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Explain to me how kids skipping school to display their herd mentality on some issue they have no knowledge or experience of is supposed to make adults take them more seriously

You think DC area high school students have no knowledge or understanding of what our federal government is going right now regarding immigration enforcement? Mine sure do!

From what... reading the papers? Quoting what their parents tell them? Talking to other teens in a 95% blue city?

How do your kids think we should secure the border? How do they think asylum claims should work? Visas? What services should illegal immigrants have access to and why? How exactlty should the law be enforced? Should families be separated or kept together? What if one's illegal and the others aren't? If your kids have fully-developed views on all these things as part of a moral and rational framework that actually hangs together... then I don't know how they'd have a minute left for any of their classes.

You need fully developed answers to every policy question in order to care about an issue? That’s not what the First Amendment says! High school students have seen what unfolded in Minneapolis. They know right from wrong and when the government is abusing its power against its own citizens even. That is enough for a basis to get engaged in social action and protest. Mine is 18, old enough to vote, and knows what’s up!

Draft the kid and put them on border patrol/illegal return duty asap!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 2018 March for Our Lives

My daughter participated in several of the walkouts and protests on Capitol Hill. She is still inspired by it today and encourages others to protest injustices that effect students.

And for reference, the Museum of Protest cites this about those walkouts on their website:

"The movement successfully shifted national discourse around gun violence, became a significant political force in the 2018 and 2020 elections, and contributed to passage of more than 250 gun control laws at the state level, including the first significant federal gun legislation in 30 years—the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act. Youth voter turnout reached record levels, with young people credited as “the difference-maker in key states.”"

Keep protesting, kids!!

“Shifted the discourse” is the vaguest participation trophy phrase in modern politics. School shootings shifted the discourse … full stop. Protests and walkouts can amplify attention, absolutely, but for incredibly brief and fleeting moments. Remember, correlation isn’t causation. Just because laws passed after rallies doesn’t mean they passed because of them.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the actual goal of a walkout, on any topic? Have any walkouts ever resulted in real change? This is my issue with them. If you want to do something about something, do something that will actually make a difference.

Yes walkouts and protest do affect change.

Which school walkout (again, on any topic) led to change?

Protests aren’t about a singular event. They’re about building momentum, sustained efforts, raising awareness, public pressure, etc. Time to go back to studying up on the Civil Rights movement.

Oh please. Invoking the Civil Rights Movement every time someone questions modern protest strategy is intellectual cosplay. Yes, sustained effort matters … but sustained effort toward what, exactly? The Civil Rights Movement paired protest with litigation, legislative drafting, voter registration drives, and ruthless political strategy. “Momentum” without a concrete policy pathway is just noise with a longer shelf life.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the actual goal of a walkout, on any topic? Have any walkouts ever resulted in real change? This is my issue with them. If you want to do something about something, do something that will actually make a difference.

Yes walkouts and protest do affect change.

Which school walkout (again, on any topic) led to change?

Protests aren’t about a singular event. They’re about building momentum, sustained efforts, raising awareness, public pressure, etc. Time to go back to studying up on the Civil Rights movement.

Oh please. Invoking the Civil Rights Movement every time someone questions modern protest strategy is intellectual cosplay. Yes, sustained effort matters … but sustained effort toward what, exactly? The Civil Rights Movement paired protest with litigation, legislative drafting, voter registration drives, and ruthless political strategy. “Momentum” without a concrete policy pathway is just noise with a longer shelf life.

Bingo - the real protests everyone holds up as models were about specific laws.

[Anonymous]

And the protesters expected to be arrested for their civil disobedience. Black men and women arrested and jailed. In the south.

And you think your privileged students should get a hall pass for skipping school against school policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the protesters expected to be arrested for their civil disobedience. Black men and women arrested and jailed. In the south.

And you think your privileged students should get a hall pass for skipping school against school policy.

Bingo again - pure cosplay

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The 2018 March for Our Lives

My daughter participated in several of the walkouts and protests on Capitol Hill. She is still inspired by it today and encourages others to protest injustices that effect students.

And for reference, the Museum of Protest cites this about those walkouts on their website:

"The movement successfully shifted national discourse around gun violence, became a significant political force in the 2018 and 2020 elections, and contributed to passage of more than 250 gun control laws at the state level, including the first significant federal gun legislation in 30 years—the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act. Youth voter turnout reached record levels, with young people credited as “the difference-maker in key states.”"

Keep protesting, kids!!

“Shifted the discourse” is the vaguest participation trophy phrase in modern politics. School shootings shifted the discourse … full stop. Protests and walkouts can amplify attention, absolutely, but for incredibly brief and fleeting moments. Remember, correlation isn’t causation. Just because laws passed after rallies doesn’t mean they passed because of them.

Parkland was the straw that broke the camel’s back for high schoolers. Most couldn’t vote and were fed up with the Trump administration so they did what they could: they protested. And it started with a walkout. Many of them! And those students created March For Our Lives, which absolutely has had an impact on gun safety in America. It also has had an impact on those students who became voters.

https://marchforourlives.org/about-us/

[Anonymous]

At a Catholic school where no students walked out. Really sad that they aren’t “walking the talk” of their mission and goals. Feeds into the idea that the school, and the families that choose it, care more about appearances than substance or action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At a Catholic school where no students walked out. Really sad that they aren’t “walking the talk” of their mission and goals. Feeds into the idea that the school, and the families that choose it, care more about appearances than substance or action.

You chose it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My personal view - kids should have no role in activism on any issue. No adult I know asks teenagers for life advice, with good reason.

I can't imagine what life skills people think kids will develop by being encouraged to dig in their heels on complex and sensitive issues that they probably never even thought about before a year or two ago, and never having had any real responsibilities, never had to make hard decisions, no instinctive understanding of compromise or the limitations of their knowledge or worldviews - and on and on.

It does seem like a good way to produce more sanctimonious and narrow-minded adults though!

Its fine for kids to pick causes and stand up for them, but its not ok to skip school when they can protest before schooll, after school and weekends with parents permission.

[Anonymous]

My kids are in public middle school not in the dmv. The principal sent a note home about what would happen in the event of a walk out. Parents could sign their kids out and there would be no consequences. If kids walked out on their own without being signed out by a legal guardian, there would be consequences (e.g. detention, suspension, etc). They requested that parents who signed their kids out leave campus so as not to disrupt education and to maintain safety.

On the day of, there were about 25 kids and adults who stood on the sidewalk by street entrance to campus.

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what is the point of protest if they are not prepared to make a sacrifice in terms of grades/discipline etc? they could write a whole college essay explaining their suspension and probably it will boost their acceptance rate. but expecting that you will face no consequences actually suggests uou care very little for your cause and jjust feel entitlement.

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Anonymous wrote:At a Catholic school where no students walked out. Really sad that they aren’t “walking the talk” of their mission and goals. Feeds into the idea that the school, and the families that choose it, care more about appearances than substance or action.

My kids are all in Catholic schools. We care a lot about substance, but I’m also the poster calling out that modern protests and walkouts are purely performative. As a family, we put our “substance” into active volunteerism with organizations we see making a difference.