MLS next HG vs AD

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

I have heard some MLSN clubs are thinking of keeping their top 1 or 2 U8-12 BY, with teams 3 and below SY. The BY teams would just play up (or we may eventually see some MLSN only U8-12 leagues). I personally think that is an organizational mess in the making, and they will drop this after a year or so.

How these clubs with MLSN1 form the rest of their teams really depends on the scale of the club and where they make their money. There are some that are heavily dependent on U8-12 (massive numbers of teams that play in internal leagues) and then only have 1/2 teams at U13+. Those will likely stay mostly BY. Then you have other MLSN1 clubs that are more dependent for cash flow on all of their U13+ teams (which will all be SY) and bringing in MLSN1 players from other clubs. I think they will mainly switch to SY and just form BY MLSN1 teams.

I'm not confidant most of these clubs can juggle a complicated age group split well but we'll see.

What's to juggle? HG an AD clubs will put together a team of the highest level players that they can, up to the age cutoff set by HG or AD league. Exception will be bio-banding which is nothing new. This is not complicated.

Anytime you have different age cutoffs within the same age group it’s going to be complicated. It’s also a hard sell to parents of a q4 birthday at the ulittle level that they are going to repeat an age group setting them up to have to skip an age group later. Maybe biobanding can help smooth out some of the transitions at u12/u13 although clubs usually benefit more from biobanding q1 or 2 birthdays rather than q4.

Its business as usual for a January-July birthdays but as the parent of a q4 birthday I have no interest in transitioning to a SY team next year to have to transition back to a BY team a few years later at u13. I’m interested to see how clubs are going to handle this and what our options are.

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

I have heard some MLSN clubs are thinking of keeping their top 1 or 2 U8-12 BY, with teams 3 and below SY. The BY teams would just play up (or we may eventually see some MLSN only U8-12 leagues). I personally think that is an organizational mess in the making, and they will drop this after a year or so.

How these clubs with MLSN1 form the rest of their teams really depends on the scale of the club and where they make their money. There are some that are heavily dependent on U8-12 (massive numbers of teams that play in internal leagues) and then only have 1/2 teams at U13+. Those will likely stay mostly BY. Then you have other MLSN1 clubs that are more dependent for cash flow on all of their U13+ teams (which will all be SY) and bringing in MLSN1 players from other clubs. I think they will mainly switch to SY and just form BY MLSN1 teams.

I'm not confidant most of these clubs can juggle a complicated age group split well but we'll see.

What's to juggle? HG an AD clubs will put together a team of the highest level players that they can, up to the age cutoff set by HG or AD league. Exception will be bio-banding which is nothing new. This is not complicated.

Anytime you have different age cutoffs within the same age group it’s going to be complicated. It’s also a hard sell to parents of a q4 birthday at the ulittle level that they are going to repeat an age group setting them up to have to skip an age group later. Maybe biobanding can help smooth out some of the transitions at u12/u13 although clubs usually benefit more from biobanding q1 or 2 birthdays rather than q4.

Its business as usual for a January-July birthdays but as the parent of a q4 birthday I have no interest in transitioning to a SY team next year to have to transition back to a BY team a few years later at u13. I’m interested to see how clubs are going to handle this and what our options are.

I’m sorry, I don’t get it. What do you mean you have no interest in transitioning to a school year team? Do you have a choice? How do you even know your kid will make a top MLS next team? It doesn’t sound like there are any teams where your kid could play birth year until U13, so why complicate it?

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

No honey this is not true. So where will they play? If you have a kid, whose birthday is a fifth grade birthday, but it’s in the birth here with all the fourth graders, they will not get to play in EDP, NAL, Chesapeake League, ANYWHERE. So where will they play? This whole thing you outlined is NOT TRUE. It’s school year for all, birth year for one. If you’re not playing in the birth year, you have to be in that school year bracket.
the rest of it is not real.

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

I have heard some MLSN clubs are thinking of keeping their top 1 or 2 U8-12 BY, with teams 3 and below SY. The BY teams would just play up (or we may eventually see some MLSN only U8-12 leagues). I personally think that is an organizational mess in the making, and they will drop this after a year or so.

How these clubs with MLSN1 form the rest of their teams really depends on the scale of the club and where they make their money. There are some that are heavily dependent on U8-12 (massive numbers of teams that play in internal leagues) and then only have 1/2 teams at U13+. Those will likely stay mostly BY. Then you have other MLSN1 clubs that are more dependent for cash flow on all of their U13+ teams (which will all be SY) and bringing in MLSN1 players from other clubs. I think they will mainly switch to SY and just form BY MLSN1 teams.

I'm not confidant most of these clubs can juggle a complicated age group split well but we'll see.

What's to juggle? HG an AD clubs will put together a team of the highest level players that they can, up to the age cutoff set by HG or AD league. Exception will be bio-banding which is nothing new. This is not complicated.

Anytime you have different age cutoffs within the same age group it’s going to be complicated. It’s also a hard sell to parents of a q4 birthday at the ulittle level that they are going to repeat an age group setting them up to have to skip an age group later. Maybe biobanding can help smooth out some of the transitions at u12/u13 although clubs usually benefit more from biobanding q1 or 2 birthdays rather than q4.

Its business as usual for a January-July birthdays but as the parent of a q4 birthday I have no interest in transitioning to a SY team next year to have to transition back to a BY team a few years later at u13. I’m interested to see how clubs are going to handle this and what our options are.

I’m sorry, I don’t get it. What do you mean you have no interest in transitioning to a school year team? Do you have a choice? How do you even know your kid will make a top MLS next team? It doesn’t sound like there are any teams where your kid could play birth year until U13, so why complicate it?

People, SY isn't tied to the actual school system geez

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

No honey this is not true. So where will they play? If you have a kid, whose birthday is a fifth grade birthday, but it’s in the birth here with all the fourth graders, they will not get to play in EDP, NAL, Chesapeake League, ANYWHERE. So where will they play? This whole thing you outlined is NOT TRUE. It’s school year for all, birth year for one. If you’re not playing in the birth year, you have to be in that school year bracket.
the rest of it is not real.

It’s not difficult to understand. The leagues will be SY but clubs can keep teams BY and play up in a SY league. A u10 BY team will play up in a u10 SY league. Some mlsnext clubs have already announced that they intend to do this with their top ulittle teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

I have heard some MLSN clubs are thinking of keeping their top 1 or 2 U8-12 BY, with teams 3 and below SY. The BY teams would just play up (or we may eventually see some MLSN only U8-12 leagues). I personally think that is an organizational mess in the making, and they will drop this after a year or so.

How these clubs with MLSN1 form the rest of their teams really depends on the scale of the club and where they make their money. There are some that are heavily dependent on U8-12 (massive numbers of teams that play in internal leagues) and then only have 1/2 teams at U13+. Those will likely stay mostly BY. Then you have other MLSN1 clubs that are more dependent for cash flow on all of their U13+ teams (which will all be SY) and bringing in MLSN1 players from other clubs. I think they will mainly switch to SY and just form BY MLSN1 teams.

I'm not confidant most of these clubs can juggle a complicated age group split well but we'll see.

What's to juggle? HG an AD clubs will put together a team of the highest level players that they can, up to the age cutoff set by HG or AD league. Exception will be bio-banding which is nothing new. This is not complicated.

Anytime you have different age cutoffs within the same age group it’s going to be complicated. It’s also a hard sell to parents of a q4 birthday at the ulittle level that they are going to repeat an age group setting them up to have to skip an age group later. Maybe biobanding can help smooth out some of the transitions at u12/u13 although clubs usually benefit more from biobanding q1 or 2 birthdays rather than q4.

Its business as usual for a January-July birthdays but as the parent of a q4 birthday I have no interest in transitioning to a SY team next year to have to transition back to a BY team a few years later at u13. I’m interested to see how clubs are going to handle this and what our options are.

So you want clubs to juggle your emotions because there’s nothing they can do about league rules? Like, you want a hug or something?

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

No honey this is not true. So where will they play? If you have a kid, whose birthday is a fifth grade birthday, but it’s in the birth here with all the fourth graders, they will not get to play in EDP, NAL, Chesapeake League, ANYWHERE. So where will they play? This whole thing you outlined is NOT TRUE. It’s school year for all, birth year for one. If you’re not playing in the birth year, you have to be in that school year bracket.
the rest of it is not real.

It’s not difficult to understand. The leagues will be SY but clubs can keep teams BY and play up in a SY league. A u10 BY team will play up in a u10 SY league. Some mlsnext clubs have already announced that they intend to do this with their top ulittle teams.

Clubs can call their teams whatever they want, as long as players meet league age rules

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

I have heard some MLSN clubs are thinking of keeping their top 1 or 2 U8-12 BY, with teams 3 and below SY. The BY teams would just play up (or we may eventually see some MLSN only U8-12 leagues). I personally think that is an organizational mess in the making, and they will drop this after a year or so.

How these clubs with MLSN1 form the rest of their teams really depends on the scale of the club and where they make their money. There are some that are heavily dependent on U8-12 (massive numbers of teams that play in internal leagues) and then only have 1/2 teams at U13+. Those will likely stay mostly BY. Then you have other MLSN1 clubs that are more dependent for cash flow on all of their U13+ teams (which will all be SY) and bringing in MLSN1 players from other clubs. I think they will mainly switch to SY and just form BY MLSN1 teams.

I'm not confidant most of these clubs can juggle a complicated age group split well but we'll see.

What's to juggle? HG an AD clubs will put together a team of the highest level players that they can, up to the age cutoff set by HG or AD league. Exception will be bio-banding which is nothing new. This is not complicated.

Anytime you have different age cutoffs within the same age group it’s going to be complicated. It’s also a hard sell to parents of a q4 birthday at the ulittle level that they are going to repeat an age group setting them up to have to skip an age group later. Maybe biobanding can help smooth out some of the transitions at u12/u13 although clubs usually benefit more from biobanding q1 or 2 birthdays rather than q4.

Its business as usual for a January-July birthdays but as the parent of a q4 birthday I have no interest in transitioning to a SY team next year to have to transition back to a BY team a few years later at u13. I’m interested to see how clubs are going to handle this and what our options are.

So you want clubs to juggle your emotions because there’s nothing they can do about league rules? Like, you want a hug or something?

What is wrong with you? We’re all just trying to find the best path forward with our kids. Clubs couldn’t care less about the emotions of parents but keeping the age cutoffs consistent from u13 and younger prevents a mess for them at u12/u13. If it doesn’t impact your kid that’s great but no need to jump all over a parent seeking out BY options for a q4.

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Anonymous wrote:Have mlsnext clubs announced how they will group the younger/pre mlsnext ages? I’ve heard of at least one that plans to keep the top team BY and the second and below teams will change to SY. Another I’ve heard will change all u9-u12 teams to SY and make the change to BY for the top team at u13. I don’t think any of this has been formally announced yet, just rumors.

It’s not rumors. All clubs have formally announced this. They have literally laid out that ONLY mls Next is allowed to go birth year. Since it starts at U13 you don’t need to be Miss Cleo to confirm that all ages below this are going to be school year.

Come on now.

That’s not true, there are some clubs keeping younger ages BY so it aligns with u13 and up. Strikers FC is one that announced this. BY teams would play up in a SY system so clubs are “allowed” to do anything.

I have heard some MLSN clubs are thinking of keeping their top 1 or 2 U8-12 BY, with teams 3 and below SY. The BY teams would just play up (or we may eventually see some MLSN only U8-12 leagues). I personally think that is an organizational mess in the making, and they will drop this after a year or so.

How these clubs with MLSN1 form the rest of their teams really depends on the scale of the club and where they make their money. There are some that are heavily dependent on U8-12 (massive numbers of teams that play in internal leagues) and then only have 1/2 teams at U13+. Those will likely stay mostly BY. Then you have other MLSN1 clubs that are more dependent for cash flow on all of their U13+ teams (which will all be SY) and bringing in MLSN1 players from other clubs. I think they will mainly switch to SY and just form BY MLSN1 teams.

I'm not confidant most of these clubs can juggle a complicated age group split well but we'll see.

What's to juggle? HG an AD clubs will put together a team of the highest level players that they can, up to the age cutoff set by HG or AD league. Exception will be bio-banding which is nothing new. This is not complicated.

Anytime you have different age cutoffs within the same age group it’s going to be complicated. It’s also a hard sell to parents of a q4 birthday at the ulittle level that they are going to repeat an age group setting them up to have to skip an age group later. Maybe biobanding can help smooth out some of the transitions at u12/u13 although clubs usually benefit more from biobanding q1 or 2 birthdays rather than q4.

Its business as usual for a January-July birthdays but as the parent of a q4 birthday I have no interest in transitioning to a SY team next year to have to transition back to a BY team a few years later at u13. I’m interested to see how clubs are going to handle this and what our options are.

So you want clubs to juggle your emotions because there’s nothing they can do about league rules? Like, you want a hug or something?

What is wrong with you? We’re all just trying to find the best path forward with our kids. Clubs couldn’t care less about the emotions of parents but keeping the age cutoffs consistent from u13 and younger prevents a mess for them at u12/u13. If it doesn’t impact your kid that’s great but no need to jump all over a parent seeking out BY options for a q4.

Nothing wrong with me. What’s wrong with you is, is that you have been given options that you don’t like and want to to complain and ask people to make up nonexistent options that you suit your dc. Play your GY or be good enough to play up, or don’t play.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes that means MLS Next II is school year for every age, and mls Next is BY. Anything outside of MLSN is SY. There’s nothing for clubs to “handle.” And enough w the dumb BS about trapped players!!
Your player is not trapped if they are August and play SY. And you’re not repeating anything if you do U13 again. It’s just playing.
AND TRY TO REMEMBER to HAVE FUN WITH IT!!

Not to mention whether it’s next season or later, at some point, if your DC has an 8/1-12/31 birthday and has been playing with the grade up in the current BY system, they will have to “repeat” an age group before they graduate high school . And it will not be the end of the world folks.

They aren't playing a grade up or down. They are playing their age group.

No such thing as grade levels in travel soccer

No but college recruiting is based on graduation year. So if you are a player with an August birthday in the Class of 2029, then you are competing with other players in the Class of 2029 for college recruiting class spots. There is no benefit to you to play on a club team that is almost entirely Class of 2030 players. You aren't competing with those players for college recruiting spots so why would you want to play on a club team with them?

Here it is, another thread infected by Mr Aug Poster trying make everything about grades with phony college recruiting BS. Colleges take transfers, Internationals and anybody else smart enough to get in the college, just play soccer well enough, they don't care if you currently play with toddlers.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes that means MLS Next II is school year for every age, and mls Next is BY. Anything outside of MLSN is SY. There’s nothing for clubs to “handle.” And enough w the dumb BS about trapped players!!
Your player is not trapped if they are August and play SY. And you’re not repeating anything if you do U13 again. It’s just playing.
AND TRY TO REMEMBER to HAVE FUN WITH IT!!

Not to mention whether it’s next season or later, at some point, if your DC has an 8/1-12/31 birthday and has been playing with the grade up in the current BY system, they will have to “repeat” an age group before they graduate high school . And it will not be the end of the world folks.

They aren't playing a grade up or down. They are playing their age group.

No such thing as grade levels in travel soccer

No but college recruiting is based on graduation year. So if you are a player with an August birthday in the Class of 2029, then you are competing with other players in the Class of 2029 for college recruiting class spots. There is no benefit to you to play on a club team that is almost entirely Class of 2030 players. You aren't competing with those players for college recruiting spots so why would you want to play on a club team with them?

If DC isn’t good enough to play up with graduating year, then DC isn’t good enough to be recruited with graduating class.

You need to accept that, first and foremost, kids have to be good enough to be recruited.

This hasn't been true. Many January kids in By aren't good enough to play up with their grade and they still play in college.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes that means MLS Next II is school year for every age, and mls Next is BY. Anything outside of MLSN is SY. There’s nothing for clubs to “handle.” And enough w the dumb BS about trapped players!!
Your player is not trapped if they are August and play SY. And you’re not repeating anything if you do U13 again. It’s just playing.
AND TRY TO REMEMBER to HAVE FUN WITH IT!!

Not to mention whether it’s next season or later, at some point, if your DC has an 8/1-12/31 birthday and has been playing with the grade up in the current BY system, they will have to “repeat” an age group before they graduate high school . And it will not be the end of the world folks.

They aren't playing a grade up or down. They are playing their age group.

No such thing as grade levels in travel soccer

No but college recruiting is based on graduation year. So if you are a player with an August birthday in the Class of 2029, then you are competing with other players in the Class of 2029 for college recruiting class spots. There is no benefit to you to play on a club team that is almost entirely Class of 2030 players. You aren't competing with those players for college recruiting spots so why would you want to play on a club team with them?

If DC isn’t good enough to play up with graduating year, then DC isn’t good enough to be recruited with graduating class.

You need to accept that, first and foremost, kids have to be good enough to be recruited.

This hasn't been true. Many January kids in By aren't good enough to play up with their grade and they still play in college.

What?

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My kids team is staying by. 2017 team will play against 2017/late16’s