Guidelines for special Ed kids in gen Ed

[Anonymous]

I don’t know if the secondary numbers are the same but I think in elementary it can’t more than half the class with IEPS. Which is probably unlikely but the way our school is doing it, 6 high needs are in 1 class together.

[Anonymous]

I am the parent of a child with a significant IEP. I wish he was not mainstreamed as I don't believe it is best for him OR the other children.

For those parents who think that it is unreasonable to expect a quiet and orderly classroom to learn, are you for real? Can you read and concentrate when your coworkers/kids are screaming? I can tell you that when my child is having a meltdown, his sister cannot do her homework and I have to stop everything to calm things down.

All students should be able to learn in classes. Students with disabilities who can work in a mainstream class with the amount of support that is provided should 100% be in that class. However, children (like my son) who are still working on his emotions, needs significant handholding to get his work done (though he is considered above grade level), and disrupt the learning of others should NOT be mainstreamed. His needs should not trump those of other children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the parent of a child with a significant IEP. I wish he was not mainstreamed as I don't believe it is best for him OR the other children.

For those parents who think that it is unreasonable to expect a quiet and orderly classroom to learn, are you for real? Can you read and concentrate when your coworkers/kids are screaming? I can tell you that when my child is having a meltdown, his sister cannot do her homework and I have to stop everything to calm things down.

All students should be able to learn in classes. Students with disabilities who can work in a mainstream class with the amount of support that is provided should 100% be in that class. However, children (like my son) who are still working on his emotions, needs significant handholding to get his work done (though he is considered above grade level), and disrupt the learning of others should NOT be mainstreamed. His needs should not trump those of other children.

Just curious- have you requested he not be pushed in as much as possible? For our classes, the inclusion is now happening at the heavy academic times (benchmark and math) which makes it more difficult. Last year it was inclusion more for SS/science and maybe parts of the others but these kids also did best getting this content in a small group. Being on the teacher side of an IEP meeting, I often wonder what these parents really think or understand about what is going on with the day. same as how the other kid’s parents don’t realize what is often happening in these classrooms now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child was always in the inclusion class in elementary because she was a high achiever at a young age and was very independent. She did not make it into AAP and was stuck. It was awful. She was ignored basically for the last 2-3 years and the expectations for her were so low that now her own drive and motivation for school is low. We placed her in all honors classes in middle school so thankfully she isn’t with those kids anymore.

This is a trope at this point. Stop blaming SPED kids for your child’s lack of attention and motivation. “Those kids” are my kids and I think ALL kids deserve attention. It’s the adults with lack of funding that caused your kid to be ignored and become jaded. Just stop.

Is it a trope? When my DC was in elementary school they put all the IEPs in one class with a dedicated SpEd teacher and it was a mess. My DC was pretty bright, super nice and an easy kid who didn’t act out. That class was so far behind the other classes in their grade. The behavior challenges were scary and disruptive. I was pretty frustrated. After 2 years of this, I didn’t think twice about sending her to the center school for AAP. I hear all the time that classes need super helpful, bright students like my kid to balance out, and from my perspective it’s wildly unfair to the super helpful, nice, and bright kids. I keep on hearing the same trope that it’s good for my child, but I don’t buy it. She thrived in AAP.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child was always in the inclusion class in elementary because she was a high achiever at a young age and was very independent. She did not make it into AAP and was stuck. It was awful. She was ignored basically for the last 2-3 years and the expectations for her were so low that now her own drive and motivation for school is low. We placed her in all honors classes in middle school so thankfully she isn’t with those kids anymore.

It actually sounds like your child has inattentive ADHD.

No, it sounds like her kid is trapped yearly in a toxic classroom cycle that would sap anyone’s enthusiasm for school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is your principal's fault. Not all elementary schools put all of the IEP kids in one classroom. We've been in two FCPS elementaries. The first one spread all of the special ed children throughout multiple classrooms (and had a separate autism program) and the second one put them all together (presumably to make it easier on the special ed teacher). As a parent of NT children, I much preferred having them spread out throughout multiple classrooms, but I am sure parents of special ed children prefer to have one classroom so the teacher is with their child all day. I don't think there is a winning situation here.

As a mom of a kid with an IEP - no I don’t want them all in the same room. It is chaotic with all the comings and goings. Principals do it that way because it easier. It is technically not allowed.

It also doesn’t allow the IEP kids to make friends with other kids.

As a mom of one kid with an IEP and others without, I *do* want them all in the same class. 🤷‍♀️

[Anonymous]

I am the SPED teacher in a cotaught middle school class. I have a total of 30 students in one class and of those 30, 25 have IEP’s. It is literally a sh!t show. I feel horrible for those five students without IEP’s. My coteacher and I have to tag team barricading the door because there are a few elopers

[Anonymous]

It is what it is, OP. If this bothers you, you should look at private SN schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the SPED teacher in a cotaught middle school class. I have a total of 30 students in one class and of those 30, 25 have IEP’s. It is literally a sh!t show. I feel horrible for those five students without IEP’s. My coteacher and I have to tag team barricading the door because there are a few elopers

I do not think it would be hard to prove that this blatantly violated the IDEA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am the SPED teacher in a cotaught middle school class. I have a total of 30 students in one class and of those 30, 25 have IEP’s. It is literally a sh!t show. I feel horrible for those five students without IEP’s. My coteacher and I have to tag team barricading the door because there are a few elopers

I do not think it would be hard to prove that this blatantly violated the IDEA

But it does not.

[Anonymous]

I thought the rule was 15:1 for cross cat kids in a gen ed setting. Over 15 sped students would require an additional TA. Maybe this has changed. Still not enough to meet everyone's needs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is your principal's fault. Not all elementary schools put all of the IEP kids in one classroom. We've been in two FCPS elementaries. The first one spread all of the special ed children throughout multiple classrooms (and had a separate autism program) and the second one put them all together (presumably to make it easier on the special ed teacher). As a parent of NT children, I much preferred having them spread out throughout multiple classrooms, but I am sure parents of special ed children prefer to have one classroom so the teacher is with their child all day. I don't think there is a winning situation here.

As a mom of a kid with an IEP - no I don’t want them all in the same room. It is chaotic with all the comings and goings. Principals do it that way because it easier. It is technically not allowed.

It also doesn’t allow the IEP kids to make friends with other kids.

As a mom of one kid with an IEP and others without, I *do* want them all in the same class. 🤷‍♀️

It's almost as if the decision of where a kid should be should be INDIVIDUALIZED. Like make a plan for their education. An individual plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the SPED teacher in a cotaught middle school class. I have a total of 30 students in one class and of those 30, 25 have IEP’s. It is literally a sh!t show. I feel horrible for those five students without IEP’s. My coteacher and I have to tag team barricading the door because there are a few elopers

I have never heard of elopers put in a middle school mainstream class. They don't even have an aide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the rule was 15:1 for cross cat kids in a gen ed setting. Over 15 sped students would require an additional TA. Maybe this has changed. Still not enough to meet everyone's needs.

It’s team taught so it meets ratio.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is what it is, OP. If this bothers you, you should look at private SN schools

We have a lot of washed up kids from public in our private school.