What math did your non-mathy kids take in 11th and 12th?

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Anonymous wrote:DD barely has a B in Hon Alg 2 with tons of support. She’s considering stats for next year. Should she stick with pre-calc? Other options? Thanks

Barley a B, try switching to 2-yr Alg2,
OR add Aalgebra 180 / Algebra support class
OR intensive tutoring to find and close the gaps.

Need to figure out why she's missing what she's missing, and if she to slow down, or needs to fill a gap, or has a major math disability that isn't going away.

Barely a B is not failing and doesn’t warrant dropping down two levels.
OP’s kid should switch to regular Algebra 2 for semester B.

Then some options most to least rigorous:
11th - regular precalc; 12th - Calc with/Apps or AP Statistics or regular Statistics
11th - AP Statistics or Statistics; 12th - Financial math or AP Statistics

What is Financial Math? Should Financial Math be taken concurrently with Stats (Honors or AP) or another Math class?

Or is taking only Financial Math also " okay" for rigor, college purposes and to fufill requirement of math each year of high school?

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Anonymous wrote:DD barely has a B in Hon Alg 2 with tons of support. She’s considering stats for next year. Should she stick with pre-calc? Other options? Thanks

Barley a B, try switching to 2-yr Alg2,
OR add Aalgebra 180 / Algebra support class
OR intensive tutoring to find and close the gaps.

Need to figure out why she's missing what she's missing, and if she to slow down, or needs to fill a gap, or has a major math disability that isn't going away.

Barely a B is not failing and doesn’t warrant dropping down two levels.
OP’s kid should switch to regular Algebra 2 for semester B.

Then some options most to least rigorous:
11th - regular precalc; 12th - Calc with/Apps or AP Statistics or regular Statistics
11th - AP Statistics or Statistics; 12th - Financial math or AP Statistics

What is Financial Math? Should Financial Math be taken concurrently with Stats (Honors or AP) or another Math class?

Or is taking only Financial Math also " okay" for rigor, college purposes and to fufill requirement of math each year of high school?

It is at some schools but you need to see if it fills the graduation requirements. Its not for college rigor, its for graduation.

If you are worried about college rigor, you want a minimum of precalc, but if your child is struggling in math precalc is a hard class, even with a tutor. Some of it depends on the major in college. For humanities/arts, etc. precalc or even algebra is ok, depending on the school. If you want stem, you want to go to the max your school has to offer, which is usually some form of calc and that better prepares you as most stem is heavy math and science.

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Anonymous wrote:If taking on track Pre-Cal, might want to take Stats instead of AP AB Calc. Pre Calc does not prep you for AP AB Calc so said a Pre Calc and AP BC Calc math teacher.

If you know you are not going into Engineering, Calc isn't necessary. Students on the fence for studying STEM should probably take AP Calc AB at least. Check to see if SAT and ACT tests have Pre Calc type questions.

Every year someone says that PreCal does not prepare you for AP AB Calc, and every year we have to correct this. Yes it does.

No it doesn't if kids like the OP's is already struggling.

Precalc prepares you as its the class before BUT, if the child is struggling and missing concepts, that has nothing to do with precal, but the foundation and they aren't grasping the math. So, either slow it down, get a tutor or get extra support from the teacher (best is a combination). Some people are just not math people but have other strengths.

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In our experience, regular Pre Calc was WAY easier than Honors Alg 2. Pre Calc was easy A with little effort and no tutor. Honors Alg 2 barely pulled a B for the semester (with quarter one a C) and a weekly teacher tutor. I’d go for regular Pre Calc.

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, regular Pre Calc was WAY easier than Honors Alg 2. Pre Calc was easy A with little effort and no tutor. Honors Alg 2 barely pulled a B for the semester (with quarter one a C) and a weekly teacher tutor. I’d go for regular Pre Calc.

What makes Honors Algebra 2 so hard? (Have a kid who I think will be taking it next year.)

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, regular Pre Calc was WAY easier than Honors Alg 2. Pre Calc was easy A with little effort and no tutor. Honors Alg 2 barely pulled a B for the semester (with quarter one a C) and a weekly teacher tutor. I’d go for regular Pre Calc.

Not our experience. Precal was hard.

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, regular Pre Calc was WAY easier than Honors Alg 2. Pre Calc was easy A with little effort and no tutor. Honors Alg 2 barely pulled a B for the semester (with quarter one a C) and a weekly teacher tutor. I’d go for regular Pre Calc.

What makes Honors Algebra 2 so hard? (Have a kid who I think will be taking it next year.)

Nothing specifically makes it hard. Alg2 is way holes in foundational knowledge start to appear. If they aren't closed, the gap grows and pre-calc becomes even harder. Alg2 being difficult means that the student does not fully grasp the concept taught in Alg1 and cannot build on it.

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, regular Pre Calc was WAY easier than Honors Alg 2. Pre Calc was easy A with little effort and no tutor. Honors Alg 2 barely pulled a B for the semester (with quarter one a C) and a weekly teacher tutor. I’d go for regular Pre Calc.

They aren't so different. What you saw was that your child fell off the bus, but worked hard to get back on. Falling off can happen at any time. Another kid might fall off a little later.

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Anonymous wrote:DD barely has a B in Hon Alg 2 with tons of support. She’s considering stats for next year. Should she stick with pre-calc? Other options? Thanks

Barley a B, try switching to 2-yr Alg2,
OR add Aalgebra 180 / Algebra support class
OR intensive tutoring to find and close the gaps.

Need to figure out why she's missing what she's missing, and if she to slow down, or needs to fill a gap, or has a major math disability that isn't going away.

Barely a B is not failing and doesn’t warrant dropping down two levels.
OP’s kid should switch to regular Algebra 2 for semester B.

Then some options most to least rigorous:
11th - regular precalc; 12th - Calc with/Apps or AP Statistics or regular Statistics
11th - AP Statistics or Statistics; 12th - Financial math or AP Statistics

What is Financial Math? Should Financial Math be taken concurrently with Stats (Honors or AP) or another Math class?

Or is taking only Financial Math also " okay" for rigor, college purposes and to fufill requirement of math each year of high school?

It is at some schools but you need to see if it fills the graduation requirements. Its not for college rigor, its for graduation.

If you are worried about college rigor, you want a minimum of precalc, but if your child is struggling in math precalc is a hard class, even with a tutor. Some of it depends on the major in college. For humanities/arts, etc. precalc or even algebra is ok, depending on the school. If you want stem, you want to go to the max your school has to offer, which is usually some form of calc and that better prepares you as most stem is heavy math and science.

"STEM" is pretty wide. Nursing? Psychology? Sociology? BA in Economics? Poly Sci? Field Biology? Forest Ranger?

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Anonymous wrote:DD barely has a B in Hon Alg 2 with tons of support. She’s considering stats for next year. Should she stick with pre-calc? Other options? Thanks

Barley a B, try switching to 2-yr Alg2,
OR add Aalgebra 180 / Algebra support class
OR intensive tutoring to find and close the gaps.

Need to figure out why she's missing what she's missing, and if she to slow down, or needs to fill a gap, or has a major math disability that isn't going away.

Barely a B is not failing and doesn’t warrant dropping down two levels.
OP’s kid should switch to regular Algebra 2 for semester B.

Then some options most to least rigorous:
11th - regular precalc; 12th - Calc with/Apps or AP Statistics or regular Statistics
11th - AP Statistics or Statistics; 12th - Financial math or AP Statistics

What is Financial Math? Should Financial Math be taken concurrently with Stats (Honors or AP) or another Math class?

Or is taking only Financial Math also " okay" for rigor, college purposes and to fufill requirement of math each year of high school?

It is at some schools but you need to see if it fills the graduation requirements. Its not for college rigor, its for graduation.

If you are worried about college rigor, you want a minimum of precalc, but if your child is struggling in math precalc is a hard class, even with a tutor. Some of it depends on the major in college. For humanities/arts, etc. precalc or even algebra is ok, depending on the school. If you want stem, you want to go to the max your school has to offer, which is usually some form of calc and that better prepares you as most stem is heavy math and science.

"STEM" is pretty wide. Nursing? Psychology? Sociology? BA in Economics? Poly Sci? Field Biology? Forest Ranger?

For a scientist like me, STEM realm includes math (including statistics), physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, computer science, and any inter-disciplinary majors building upon them (e.g., material science, information science). I wouldn't consider any major you mentioned as STEM-centered.

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Anonymous wrote:DD barely has a B in Hon Alg 2 with tons of support. She’s considering stats for next year. Should she stick with pre-calc? Other options? Thanks

Barley a B, try switching to 2-yr Alg2,
OR add Aalgebra 180 / Algebra support class
OR intensive tutoring to find and close the gaps.

Need to figure out why she's missing what she's missing, and if she to slow down, or needs to fill a gap, or has a major math disability that isn't going away.

Barely a B is not failing and doesn’t warrant dropping down two levels.
OP’s kid should switch to regular Algebra 2 for semester B.

Then some options most to least rigorous:
11th - regular precalc; 12th - Calc with/Apps or AP Statistics or regular Statistics
11th - AP Statistics or Statistics; 12th - Financial math or AP Statistics

What is Financial Math? Should Financial Math be taken concurrently with Stats (Honors or AP) or another Math class?

Or is taking only Financial Math also " okay" for rigor, college purposes and to fufill requirement of math each year of high school?

It is at some schools but you need to see if it fills the graduation requirements. Its not for college rigor, its for graduation.

If you are worried about college rigor, you want a minimum of precalc, but if your child is struggling in math precalc is a hard class, even with a tutor. Some of it depends on the major in college. For humanities/arts, etc. precalc or even algebra is ok, depending on the school. If you want stem, you want to go to the max your school has to offer, which is usually some form of calc and that better prepares you as most stem is heavy math and science.

"STEM" is pretty wide. Nursing? Psychology? Sociology? BA in Economics? Poly Sci? Field Biology? Forest Ranger?

For a scientist like me, STEM realm includes math (including statistics), physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, computer science, and any inter-disciplinary majors building upon them (e.g., material science, information science). I wouldn't consider any major you mentioned as STEM-centered.

For Biology, nursing, and economics, its a good idea to have Calc, but for sociology, psychology, forest ranger, poly science, not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:DD barely has a B in Hon Alg 2 with tons of support. She’s considering stats for next year. Should she stick with pre-calc? Other options? Thanks

Barley a B, try switching to 2-yr Alg2,
OR add Aalgebra 180 / Algebra support class
OR intensive tutoring to find and close the gaps.

Need to figure out why she's missing what she's missing, and if she to slow down, or needs to fill a gap, or has a major math disability that isn't going away.

Barely a B is not failing and doesn’t warrant dropping down two levels.
OP’s kid should switch to regular Algebra 2 for semester B.

Then some options most to least rigorous:
11th - regular precalc; 12th - Calc with/Apps or AP Statistics or regular Statistics
11th - AP Statistics or Statistics; 12th - Financial math or AP Statistics

What is Financial Math? Should Financial Math be taken concurrently with Stats (Honors or AP) or another Math class?

Or is taking only Financial Math also " okay" for rigor, college purposes and to fufill requirement of math each year of high school?

It is at some schools but you need to see if it fills the graduation requirements. Its not for college rigor, its for graduation.

If you are worried about college rigor, you want a minimum of precalc, but if your child is struggling in math precalc is a hard class, even with a tutor. Some of it depends on the major in college. For humanities/arts, etc. precalc or even algebra is ok, depending on the school. If you want stem, you want to go to the max your school has to offer, which is usually some form of calc and that better prepares you as most stem is heavy math and science.

"STEM" is pretty wide. Nursing? Psychology? Sociology? BA in Economics? Poly Sci? Field Biology? Forest Ranger?

For a scientist like me, STEM realm includes math (including statistics), physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, computer science, and any inter-disciplinary majors building upon them (e.g., material science, information science). I wouldn't consider any major you mentioned as STEM-centered.

For Biology, nursing, and economics, its a good idea to have Calc, but for sociology, psychology, forest ranger, poly science, not so much.

WRONG. For Psychology there is a lot of math and data analysis. Both AP Calculus and and AP Stats are often requirements.

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Anonymous wrote:DD barely has a B in Hon Alg 2 with tons of support. She’s considering stats for next year. Should she stick with pre-calc? Other options? Thanks

Barley a B, try switching to 2-yr Alg2,
OR add Aalgebra 180 / Algebra support class
OR intensive tutoring to find and close the gaps.

Need to figure out why she's missing what she's missing, and if she to slow down, or needs to fill a gap, or has a major math disability that isn't going away.

Barely a B is not failing and doesn’t warrant dropping down two levels.
OP’s kid should switch to regular Algebra 2 for semester B.

Then some options most to least rigorous:
11th - regular precalc; 12th - Calc with/Apps or AP Statistics or regular Statistics
11th - AP Statistics or Statistics; 12th - Financial math or AP Statistics

What is Financial Math? Should Financial Math be taken concurrently with Stats (Honors or AP) or another Math class?

Or is taking only Financial Math also " okay" for rigor, college purposes and to fufill requirement of math each year of high school?

It is at some schools but you need to see if it fills the graduation requirements. Its not for college rigor, its for graduation.

If you are worried about college rigor, you want a minimum of precalc, but if your child is struggling in math precalc is a hard class, even with a tutor. Some of it depends on the major in college. For humanities/arts, etc. precalc or even algebra is ok, depending on the school. If you want stem, you want to go to the max your school has to offer, which is usually some form of calc and that better prepares you as most stem is heavy math and science.

"STEM" is pretty wide. Nursing? Psychology? Sociology? BA in Economics? Poly Sci? Field Biology? Forest Ranger?

For a scientist like me, STEM realm includes math (including statistics), physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, computer science, and any inter-disciplinary majors building upon them (e.g., material science, information science). I wouldn't consider any major you mentioned as STEM-centered.

For Biology, nursing, and economics, its a good idea to have Calc, but for sociology, psychology, forest ranger, poly science, not so much.

WRONG. For Psychology there is a lot of math and data analysis. Both AP Calculus and and AP Stats are often requirements.

You don't need calc, statistics is helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:In our experience, regular Pre Calc was WAY easier than Honors Alg 2. Pre Calc was easy A with little effort and no tutor. Honors Alg 2 barely pulled a B for the semester (with quarter one a C) and a weekly teacher tutor. I’d go for regular Pre Calc.

What makes Honors Algebra 2 so hard? (Have a kid who I think will be taking it next year.)

Nothing specifically makes it hard. Alg2 is way holes in foundational knowledge start to appear. If they aren't closed, the gap grows and pre-calc becomes even harder. Alg2 being difficult means that the student does not fully grasp the concept taught in Alg1 and cannot build on it.

+100. Algebra is were missing and non mastered foundational skills show up. Best solution: Get really really good at foundational math skillls, and then at applying those skills in real world scenarios.

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I don’t understand the concept of saying your kid is struggling in an honors class and yet you are talking about still putting them in honors or AP for the next level? Why would you make the kid continue to struggle? It’s better to get an A in a grade level class than a C in an honors or AP class. Not to mention the stress level.