Katie Holmes is too posh to play Joey Potter

[Anonymous]

Good points from the 10:10 poster.

"Friday Night Lights" was really good at portraying class issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Elegance is something people are born with, it is inate. It has nothing to do with background and money.

Many of the world's most elegant super models came from modest or impoverished backgrounds.

Your theory is bunk.

Idk, Dakota Johnson for instance always seems posh to me: looks, way she holds herself, way she talks. She cannot play poor or normal wealth at all. With models you do not get a full picture of the person and their speech.

Dakota Johnson doesn't have poise. She sits with a slump. She is much more naturally trailer park than mansion house.

Dakota Johnson is a weird example because while obviously she grew up very rich, her upbringing wasn't like "to the manor born." She mostly grew up on her dad's ranch in Colorado, riding horses and then visiting her parents on movie sets. It's a weird, nontraditional upbringing even among wealthy kids, which is why she has such a weird personality. It's not trailer park, it's not mansion house. It's weird Hollywood nepo baby bubble, but not even like the classic LA or NYC nepo kids where they have a specific type.

Yeah her family is a bit unusual even by Hollywood standards. Her mom grew up with lions as pets and Dakota’s neighbor was Hunter S. Thompson. Kind of like Winona Ryder whose parents were connected in the art/literary scene but raised her on a commune.

But I also do think the us, in general, has way less of an entrenched class structure than say, the UK, so the whole “too posh to play a character” thing is less of a real issue, even in period pieces. In the UK, you have someone like Helena Bonham Carter who is a true aristocrat (not just umc or new money) and has a whole career built on playing other aristocrats in a way that only someone like her can. (Though she is an amazing actress, too).

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. The one bit of casting I DO find weird about this show, though, is that I think Joey and Pacey look like siblings and it's gross because they're supposed to be love interests.

It's not gross because they are not siblings. I was often confused as the "sister" of my boyfriends when I was a teen. People are often drawn to people who resemble them in some way.

Ew.

Elvis and Priscilla baby.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elegance is something people are born with, it is inate. It has nothing to do with background and money.

Many of the world's most elegant super models came from modest or impoverished backgrounds.

Your theory is bunk.

Idk, Dakota Johnson for instance always seems posh to me: looks, way she holds herself, way she talks. She cannot play poor or normal wealth at all. With models you do not get a full picture of the person and their speech.

Dakota Johnson doesn't have poise. She sits with a slump. She is much more naturally trailer park than mansion house.

Dakota Johnson is a weird example because while obviously she grew up very rich, her upbringing wasn't like "to the manor born." She mostly grew up on her dad's ranch in Colorado, riding horses and then visiting her parents on movie sets. It's a weird, nontraditional upbringing even among wealthy kids, which is why she has such a weird personality. It's not trailer park, it's not mansion house. It's weird Hollywood nepo baby bubble, but not even like the classic LA or NYC nepo kids where they have a specific type.

Yeah her family is a bit unusual even by Hollywood standards. Her mom grew up with lions as pets and Dakota’s neighbor was Hunter S. Thompson. Kind of like Winona Ryder whose parents were connected in the art/literary scene but raised her on a commune.

But I also do think the us, in general, has way less of an entrenched class structure than say, the UK, so the whole “too posh to play a character” thing is less of a real issue, even in period pieces. In the UK, you have someone like Helena Bonham Carter who is a true aristocrat (not just umc or new money) and has a whole career built on playing other aristocrats in a way that only someone like her can. (Though she is an amazing actress, too).

She was not an aristo in Fight Club.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elegance is something people are born with, it is inate. It has nothing to do with background and money.

Many of the world's most elegant super models came from modest or impoverished backgrounds.

Your theory is bunk.

Idk, Dakota Johnson for instance always seems posh to me: looks, way she holds herself, way she talks. She cannot play poor or normal wealth at all. With models you do not get a full picture of the person and their speech.

Dakota Johnson doesn't have poise. She sits with a slump. She is much more naturally trailer park than mansion house.

Dakota Johnson is a weird example because while obviously she grew up very rich, her upbringing wasn't like "to the manor born." She mostly grew up on her dad's ranch in Colorado, riding horses and then visiting her parents on movie sets. It's a weird, nontraditional upbringing even among wealthy kids, which is why she has such a weird personality. It's not trailer park, it's not mansion house. It's weird Hollywood nepo baby bubble, but not even like the classic LA or NYC nepo kids where they have a specific type.

Yeah her family is a bit unusual even by Hollywood standards. Her mom grew up with lions as pets and Dakota’s neighbor was Hunter S. Thompson. Kind of like Winona Ryder whose parents were connected in the art/literary scene but raised her on a commune.

But I also do think the us, in general, has way less of an entrenched class structure than say, the UK, so the whole “too posh to play a character” thing is less of a real issue, even in period pieces. In the UK, you have someone like Helena Bonham Carter who is a true aristocrat (not just umc or new money) and has a whole career built on playing other aristocrats in a way that only someone like her can. (Though she is an amazing actress, too).

Didn't Bruce Willis and Demi Moore raise their daughters in like, Idaho or somewhere? Similar thing with those three girls. Weird AF.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elegance is something people are born with, it is inate. It has nothing to do with background and money.

Many of the world's most elegant super models came from modest or impoverished backgrounds.

Your theory is bunk.

Idk, Dakota Johnson for instance always seems posh to me: looks, way she holds herself, way she talks. She cannot play poor or normal wealth at all. With models you do not get a full picture of the person and their speech.

Dakota Johnson doesn't have poise. She sits with a slump. She is much more naturally trailer park than mansion house.

Dakota Johnson is a weird example because while obviously she grew up very rich, her upbringing wasn't like "to the manor born." She mostly grew up on her dad's ranch in Colorado, riding horses and then visiting her parents on movie sets. It's a weird, nontraditional upbringing even among wealthy kids, which is why she has such a weird personality. It's not trailer park, it's not mansion house. It's weird Hollywood nepo baby bubble, but not even like the classic LA or NYC nepo kids where they have a specific type.

Yeah her family is a bit unusual even by Hollywood standards. Her mom grew up with lions as pets and Dakota’s neighbor was Hunter S. Thompson. Kind of like Winona Ryder whose parents were connected in the art/literary scene but raised her on a commune.

But I also do think the us, in general, has way less of an entrenched class structure than say, the UK, so the whole “too posh to play a character” thing is less of a real issue, even in period pieces. In the UK, you have someone like Helena Bonham Carter who is a true aristocrat (not just umc or new money) and has a whole career built on playing other aristocrats in a way that only someone like her can. (Though she is an amazing actress, too).

Didn't Bruce Willis and Demi Moore raise their daughters in like, Idaho or somewhere? Similar thing with those three girls. Weird AF.

Yeah, they were living away from the public eye in Idaho, but then they moved back to Los Angeles at one point, and ended up with Ashton Kutcher (who isn't that much older than the oldest girl) as their stepdad. Talk about a sudden shock.

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Were the Leerys MC or UMC?

Dawson’s mom had a good job as a local news anchor and his dad didn’t seem to worry about money and and was doing different random jobs. When he dies it’s revealed he has a trust fund. Dawson also has a fancy video camera and is able to go pursue film at film school; without thinking of any financial consequences.

He also lived in a large house by a creek with a boat and a lot of land. Definitely $$

Jen of course was upper class being NYC finance money.

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Anonymous wrote:Were the Leerys MC or UMC?

Dawson’s mom had a good job as a local news anchor and his dad didn’t seem to worry about money and and was doing different random jobs. When he dies it’s revealed he has a trust fund. Dawson also has a fancy video camera and is able to go pursue film at film school; without thinking of any financial consequences.

He also lived in a large house by a creek with a boat and a lot of land. Definitely $$

Jen of course was upper class being NYC finance money.

But didn't Jen's dad cut her off for being a wanton sl*t which he discovered by coming home and finding her in her parents' bed with a boy?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elegance is something people are born with, it is inate. It has nothing to do with background and money.

Many of the world's most elegant super models came from modest or impoverished backgrounds.

Your theory is bunk.

Idk, Dakota Johnson for instance always seems posh to me: looks, way she holds herself, way she talks. She cannot play poor or normal wealth at all. With models you do not get a full picture of the person and their speech.

Dakota Johnson doesn't have poise. She sits with a slump. She is much more naturally trailer park than mansion house.

Dakota Johnson is a weird example because while obviously she grew up very rich, her upbringing wasn't like "to the manor born." She mostly grew up on her dad's ranch in Colorado, riding horses and then visiting her parents on movie sets. It's a weird, nontraditional upbringing even among wealthy kids, which is why she has such a weird personality. It's not trailer park, it's not mansion house. It's weird Hollywood nepo baby bubble, but not even like the classic LA or NYC nepo kids where they have a specific type.

Yeah her family is a bit unusual even by Hollywood standards. Her mom grew up with lions as pets and Dakota’s neighbor was Hunter S. Thompson. Kind of like Winona Ryder whose parents were connected in the art/literary scene but raised her on a commune.

But I also do think the us, in general, has way less of an entrenched class structure than say, the UK, so the whole “too posh to play a character” thing is less of a real issue, even in period pieces. In the UK, you have someone like Helena Bonham Carter who is a true aristocrat (not just umc or new money) and has a whole career built on playing other aristocrats in a way that only someone like her can. (Though she is an amazing actress, too).

Didn't Bruce Willis and Demi Moore raise their daughters in like, Idaho or somewhere? Similar thing with those three girls. Weird AF.

Yeah, they were living away from the public eye in Idaho, but then they moved back to Los Angeles at one point, and ended up with Ashton Kutcher (who isn't that much older than the oldest girl) as their stepdad. Talk about a sudden shock.

Ashton is ten years older than Rumer (who I think is the oldest of the three). To his credit, he must have done a good job because the girls and he have stayed in touch even after he and Demi divorced and he's supported them at their various ... pursuits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Were the Leerys MC or UMC?

Dawson’s mom had a good job as a local news anchor and his dad didn’t seem to worry about money and and was doing different random jobs. When he dies it’s revealed he has a trust fund. Dawson also has a fancy video camera and is able to go pursue film at film school; without thinking of any financial consequences.

He also lived in a large house by a creek with a boat and a lot of land. Definitely $$

Jen of course was upper class being NYC finance money.

I assumed they are more middle class but spoiled Dawson since he was their cherished only child.

[Anonymous]

It's that kind of show, OP. It's a soap opera.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Were the Leerys MC or UMC?

Dawson’s mom had a good job as a local news anchor and his dad didn’t seem to worry about money and and was doing different random jobs. When he dies it’s revealed he has a trust fund. Dawson also has a fancy video camera and is able to go pursue film at film school; without thinking of any financial consequences.

He also lived in a large house by a creek with a boat and a lot of land. Definitely $$

Jen of course was upper class being NYC finance money.

The families in Capeside either seemed to be LMC (Potters and Witters) or uber wealthy (Jen, the McPhees and all the country club side characters.) The Leery’s were in between, but I’d still peg them as UMC. They bought Dawson a brand new jeep for his birthday and Gale decided to open a restaurant on a whim.

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Anonymous wrote:Were the Leerys MC or UMC?

Dawson’s mom had a good job as a local news anchor and his dad didn’t seem to worry about money and and was doing different random jobs. When he dies it’s revealed he has a trust fund. Dawson also has a fancy video camera and is able to go pursue film at film school; without thinking of any financial consequences.

He also lived in a large house by a creek with a boat and a lot of land. Definitely $$

Jen of course was upper class being NYC finance money.

The families in Capeside either seemed to be LMC (Potters and Witters) or uber wealthy (Jen, the McPhees and all the country club side characters.) The Leery’s were in between, but I’d still peg them as UMC. They bought Dawson a brand new jeep for his birthday and Gale decided to open a restaurant on a whim.

This. I don’t think Dawson is middle class. He was constantly spoiled with expensive presents and could just go to an out of state college to study film. When he gets a windfall he without thinking about it gives it to Joey.

I don’t know if the Potters are lower class. They seem working class. Deadbeat drug dealer dad; single mom older sister; constant money troubles.

[Anonymous]

Also Dawsons dad could afford to not work and try out random jobs and then suddenly they have money to open a restaurant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elegance is something people are born with, it is inate. It has nothing to do with background and money.

Many of the world's most elegant super models came from modest or impoverished backgrounds.

Your theory is bunk.

This. Demi Moore was a trailer park girl.