Am I screwing us over for financial aid?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully I didn't eff up fafsa but I'm pretty sure you don't include retirement accounts.

For the schools she's wondering about it's FAFSA + CSS. You include retirement accounts in the CSS.

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Anonymous wrote:Run a couple of calculators at schools of interest, make sure to include a couple (Emory is one) that include your full home equity as well as others that include it only over it 2x income. Most also include your 401k assets.
Assuming you own your home and have some retirement savings quitting your job may not make that much of a difference.
My guess is when both kids are in college at the same time you will get some aid but you should expect to pay a significant portion of your kids college costs.

That makes sense that equity is included. I'm sort of surprised retirement income would ever be included. Seems cruel to make families choose between paying for kids' education and being able to retire.

It's not cruelty, its to prevent wealthy families from hiding all of their assets in retirement accounts.

but retirement accounts have contribution limits you can't just transfer hundreds of thousands of dollars there at once, and you're penalized if you take it out for uses other than retirement

Not at once, but 401k limits are over $20k per year and IRA limits are about $7k, so a well off couple could funnel over $50k into retirement per year.
State schools that use only the FAFSA won't care, but private schools using the CSS consider retirement assets if they are providing need based financial aid. Which makes sense - need based financial aid is essentially charity, why would you provide charity to a family with millions in retirement accounts?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully I didn't eff up fafsa but I'm pretty sure you don't include retirement accounts.

For the schools she's wondering about it's FAFSA + CSS. You include retirement accounts in the CSS.

PP here. Ok, thanks for clarifying. I actually did do the CSS profile and IDOC for some of my kid's applications and oh my goodness. Lots of cursing was involved.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re grinding for savings, your assets might screw you over even if your HHI didn’t.

OP here. Yes, that's what I meant. We're racking up cash to pay for college, but wondering in hindsight if we needed to work so hard to do that or should have maintained and looked for strong aid packages.

Look for merit aid instead of need based aid. All you have to do is go below the top 25.

+1 my kids were not straight A students, but had SATs above 700 in both sections. We did not apply for financial aid, but every private school out of the top 25 offered merit aid, even an ED school.

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Potential financial aid is not a game with clear rules. Nor is admission.

Money means you will have more options

Choose the money route.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should you get any financial aid? Seriously.

I know. Crazy she thinks they need/deserve aid.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re grinding for savings, your assets might screw you over even if your HHI didn’t.

OP here. Yes, that's what I meant. We're racking up cash to pay for college, but wondering in hindsight if we needed to work so hard to do that or should have maintained and looked for strong aid packages.

Look for merit aid instead of need based aid. All you have to do is go below the top 25.

+1 my kids were not straight A students, but had SATs above 700 in both sections. We did not apply for financial aid, but every private school out of the top 25 offered merit aid, even an ED school.

OP here. I didn't realize merit aid was as easy to come by as some posters are suggesting. That's good to know. One of our DCs is a very strong motivated student, with a heavy course load and all As. Did well on PSAT too. So I will hope that will give her options via merit!

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re grinding for savings, your assets might screw you over even if your HHI didn’t.

OP here. Yes, that's what I meant. We're racking up cash to pay for college, but wondering in hindsight if we needed to work so hard to do that or should have maintained and looked for strong aid packages.

Look for merit aid instead of need based aid. All you have to do is go below the top 25.

+1 my kids were not straight A students, but had SATs above 700 in both sections. We did not apply for financial aid, but every private school out of the top 25 offered merit aid, even an ED school.

OP here. I didn't realize merit aid was as easy to come by as some posters are suggesting. That's good to know. One of our DCs is a very strong motivated student, with a heavy course load and all As. Did well on PSAT too. So I will hope that will give her options via merit!

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We are 200,000 HHI and that just looks rich even though it doesn't feel at all rich. We also have savings for college - maybe 80,000 from family. This is the definition of donut hole. I am so sorry your job sucks. Can you find a middle ground - a role that makes closer to 100,000 and is more livable. You will feel it more when tuition bills hot, but time is all we have.

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My sister and her husband have a HHI of just under $300k. Their kid gets $12k a year in aid (out of a total cost of $90k), so they need to come up with $75k a year between savings, grandparents' contributing, kid has a work-study job, etc. So, you could get aid but it won't be much unless you go in-state public or get some merit aid.

However, I am a practicing lawyer and there's a huge number of law jobs between legal writing and Biglaw. I am a partner at a tiny firm where each lawyer makes around $400-$600k a year while only billing 1200 a year. Biglaw is not the end all be all - you may actually like the practice of law again if you found a position at a better/no name place or went inhouse.

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Anonymous wrote:yes, for most schools, 225 will get you 0.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing to remember about need-based financial aid is that it still will hurt.
So maybe you would get aid at $225K if you had hardly any assets, but you would still be paying a lot. (Maybe something like $70K instead of $90K,).
It's also not guaranteed that you would get any aid.
I think the choice you need to make is whether this job is worth private school or if in-state would be better so you can focus on your family.

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All the needs meets schools are extremely hard to get into-I’d suck it up and make as much $$ as you can for a few years!!

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re grinding for savings, your assets might screw you over even if your HHI didn’t.

OP here. Yes, that's what I meant. We're racking up cash to pay for college, but wondering in hindsight if we needed to work so hard to do that or should have maintained and looked for strong aid packages.

But that's irrelevant, now, right? Start running NPC on college websites. I suspect you are doomed. Even with just $200K HHI but lots of property we got nothign from FAFSA.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re grinding for savings, your assets might screw you over even if your HHI didn’t.

OP here. Yes, that's what I meant. We're racking up cash to pay for college, but wondering in hindsight if we needed to work so hard to do that or should have maintained and looked for strong aid packages.

Look for merit aid instead of need based aid. All you have to do is go below the top 25.

+1 my kids were not straight A students, but had SATs above 700 in both sections. We did not apply for financial aid, but every private school out of the top 25 offered merit aid, even an ED school.

OP here. I didn't realize merit aid was as easy to come by as some posters are suggesting. That's good to know. One of our DCs is a very strong motivated student, with a heavy course load and all As. Did well on PSAT too. So I will hope that will give her options via merit!

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OP, merit aid is a possibility ONLY if you are willing to drop down in the rankings below what institution your kid could get into, full pay. Do you want a sub-standard slac? Then, sure, you can get into innumerable struggling slacs like Otterbein or Occidental College and get "merit" aid (a paper subtraction off the $93K ask). But if they want T-25, then no, you aren't going to get it unless you are URM or first-generation, and even that is now fading away. We weren't willing to sacrifice that for our kid so paid full freight at the Ivies and slacs he got into. That has been the trade-off in college admissions for about a decade. The top schools don't have to give merit aid so they don't. The lesser schools offer merit in exchange for a) top GPA; b) top test scores; c) minority status; d) other hooked aspect that they can report to USNWR. It's really that simple. And, no, you won't get anything from FAFSA. Start running the calculators on the colleges pages and look seriously at your in-state options and start reading more, There are tons of resources on financial aid .