UCL accepted too many foreign students

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Anonymous wrote:The xenophobia has always been present, its just that a lot of people in society understand that it is ugly to show it. What Trump has done is make it seem acceptable.

Which it still is not.

Agree. However universities have created a problem with letting 80% of the international students come from just two countries. There is also a very large problem with sophisticated cheating rings, completely fabricated applications and entire industries in China and India supporting this. It’s unfair to US students and other international students.

Student visas should be restricted in number and by country by institution. A much smaller number should be allowed at universities that are turning away qualified US students. Universities that are having trouble filling seats should be able to file to increase their quota. These changes should be made in a rationale way allowing universities and students to plan.

I've never heard of a large-scale cheating scandal with A levels in either India or China. Please fill me in.

Not A levels but…

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/5-australian-universities-restrict-indian-students-amid-surge-in-fraud-applications-3959175/amp/1

That’s not so much a cheating ring as large-scale fraud by people using student visas as a backdoor to get into Australia to work. I guess it’s the same net result, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Your US kid attending would also be an international student, so maybe tone down the xenophobia.

It's shocking. I'm French and my children are US and French citizens. The xenophobia has significantly increased since Trump came to power, but it was always present in a low-key way on the College Forum.

The future of the world is global, no matter what ultra-nationalists say.

You can always count on the French poster to pop in and hold her nose up. She’s relentless.

Kids are anchor babies, which is not allowed in France. See xenophobia.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of under enrolled American colleges which could benefit from full pay Chinese students.

Very true but Chinese students and/or their parents are savvy consumers and want the top colleges for their kids, not middling ones.

They also want the stem universities so they csn steal US research and send it back to the ccp?

research is published publicly. What's there to steal? The most impressive and valuable research is coming out of AI labs, not universities.

Papers are all that get published, but they often do not contain all of the useful information, for example due to page limits. They also do not contain source code or other intellectual property.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of under enrolled American colleges which could benefit from full pay Chinese students.

Very true but Chinese students and/or their parents are savvy consumers and want the top colleges for their kids, not middling ones.

They also want the stem universities so they csn steal US research and send it back to the ccp?

What US research?
China is way ahead of US in research.

Chinese students come to USA to get capitalism money.

China is way ahead of the US in retracted fraudulent papers. The US is way ahead in actual research, which the CCP knows very well.

[Anonymous]

DCUM routinely mocks St Andrews for taking so many US kids. They take a lot of international kids, that's true.

But so does Kings, UCL, LSE, Imperial, Oxford and Cambridge.

There's nothing wrong with any of it. This is their model. They don't "save" seats for UK kids.

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DCUM is idiotic…
But there is a difference between St Andrews taking 20% American and being 33% international and UCL being 55% international and taking 30% Chinese students…..

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is idiotic…
But there is a difference between St Andrews taking 20% American and being 33% international and UCL being 55% international and taking 30% Chinese students…..

Most UK universities lose money on every UK student. They rely on growing numbers of overseas students paying full overseas fees to make up that loss and balance the budget.

Conceptually, this is analogous to many US public universities having a measurable % of out-of-state students paying higher fees to balance the budget.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your US kid attending would also be an international student, so maybe tone down the xenophobia.

It's shocking. I'm French and my children are US and French citizens. The xenophobia has significantly increased since Trump came to power, but it was always present in a low-key way on the College Forum.

The future of the world is global, no matter what ultra-nationalists say.

How many international students attend Chinese or Indian universities?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your US kid attending would also be an international student, so maybe tone down the xenophobia.

It's shocking. I'm French and my children are US and French citizens. The xenophobia has significantly increased since Trump came to power, but it was always present in a low-key way on the College Forum.

The future of the world is global, no matter what ultra-nationalists say.

How many international students attend Chinese or Indian universities?

One ought to differentiate students studying a local language from those studying STEM ir humanities.

Almost all PRC students or Indian students at UCL are in STEM degree programs. Exceptions exist, but very few exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM routinely mocks St Andrews for taking so many US kids. They take a lot of international kids, that's true.

But so does Kings, UCL, LSE, Imperial, Oxford and Cambridge.

There's nothing wrong with any of it. This is their model. They don't "save" seats for UK kids.

Er no, this is just made up.

St Andrews - yes, genuinely 20% of their student population is from the USA.
Oxford is estimated to only have 9% of their student population from the USA

same for Cambs, Kings, UCL. LSE slightly higher at about 15%

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM routinely mocks St Andrews for taking so many US kids. They take a lot of international kids, that's true.

But so does Kings, UCL, LSE, Imperial, Oxford and Cambridge.

There's nothing wrong with any of it. This is their model. They don't "save" seats for UK kids.

Er no, this is just made up.

St Andrews - yes, genuinely 20% of their student population is from the USA.
Oxford is estimated to only have 9% of their student population from the USA

same for Cambs, Kings, UCL. LSE slightly higher at about 15%

St Andrews is the only one of the unis mentioned here to have a critical mass of undergraduate students from the US. For example, there were only about 30 students from the US in my DD's matriculation year at Cambridge. Coincidentally, she is currently at UCL getting a master's - I'm glad she got her visa sorted in August!