Honor code violation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man, you folks are something else. Blaming the teacher for the kid's cheating? Really? Sounds like you're saying "she asked for it." So, so wrong.

OP here, we are not blaming the teacher. Child is taking full responsibility for the wrongdoing but agree with others that for a kid who just tuned 14 in July end it took us a few minutes to explain that it is considered cheating and he should have explained better to the teacher how he used it rather than saying no AI did not write it.

Your child is apologetic now because he got caught. He had the chance to confess to it and chose to ride his luck because he thought he could get over.

He sounds like a cheater and a liar and is hoping mommy will bail him out of trouble. Being in 9th grade isn't an excuse. 9th graders know using AI to complete assignments is wrong. He tried taking the lazy way out then lied when caught.

"Mommy, I am so sorry. Fix it for me, mommy."

[Anonymous]

You are handing it the right way. it's a good less. It won't go on transcript, but it's good prep for college where it will be a disciplinary action and possible expulsion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why my child’s English teacher assigns all writing as in-class assignments. Teachers need to be smarter about this.

+1

[Anonymous]

As an educator (higher ed) I think this is a learning moment for a 9th grader. It's the first month of school at a new school with new technology. Lying is the only thing that I would severely have issues with in this situation. But honestly, fear of failure is real and if thinks he would get into trouble, I understand his motive while not agreeing that it was the best decision he could have made.

OP: Please realize that his timing for this mistake is likely the best possible one. Hopefully this will scare him into not cheating again and help him to have a holistic understand of plagiarism (like you can't use a paper you wrote in one class for another class). If the teacher and admin do not take this to be a learning experience in FCPS, then they are the anomaly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an educator (higher ed) I think this is a learning moment for a 9th grader. It's the first month of school at a new school with new technology. Lying is the only thing that I would severely have issues with in this situation. But honestly, fear of failure is real and if thinks he would get into trouble, I understand his motive while not agreeing that it was the best decision he could have made.

OP: Please realize that his timing for this mistake is likely the best possible one. Hopefully this will scare him into not cheating again and help him to have a holistic understand of plagiarism (like you can't use a paper you wrote in one class for another class). If the teacher and admin do not take this to be a learning experience in FCPS, then they are the anomaly.

He lied when asked. That’s a huge issue.

[Anonymous]

You can tell AI to write like a
high schooler, and tell it to use simple words, and it would....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are very disappointed that our child used AI for his English homework and when teacher asked child didn’t acknowledge.
Received a call from teacher and saw the work submitted (email). We had conversation with child who is very apologetic and understands wrong doing (9th grader). Child got really scared thinking they will be expelled so didn’t acknowledge using AI. Will be going to see teacher tomorrow to come clean apologize and take responsibility of wrong doing.
Teacher mentioned child will be meeting the vice principal and this will be a warning.
Will this go on sis and college applications. This is first time. Keep your negative comments to yourself as any human can make a mistake

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

This isn't exactly cheating but offer to help or a tutor.

My kid got accused of cheating when I was next to them and watched them write and and reviewed it with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are very disappointed that our child used AI for his English homework and when teacher asked child didn’t acknowledge.
Received a call from teacher and saw the work submitted (email). We had conversation with child who is very apologetic and understands wrong doing (9th grader). Child got really scared thinking they will be expelled so didn’t acknowledge using AI. Will be going to see teacher tomorrow to come clean apologize and take responsibility of wrong doing.
Teacher mentioned child will be meeting the vice principal and this will be a warning.
Will this go on sis and college applications. This is first time. Keep your negative comments to yourself as any human can make a mistake

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

This isn't exactly cheating but offer to help or a tutor.

My kid got accused of cheating when I was next to them and watched them write and and reviewed it with them.

The accusation came from somewhere. Was it written above grade-level? Higher level of vocab? Free of punctuation and grammatical issues?

Even parents reviewing work or using tutors is a slippery slope if the student’s level of writing is significantly different.

[Anonymous]

No, this won't "go on college applications" or SIS. Instead, less than one month into the school year, you get to spend the rest of the time with a teacher who knows that your kid is a liar. No matter what he does to redeem himself, the trust is broken.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the vice principal will choose to make an example of him and expel him. Is it likely? I do not know. Is it possible? Why not?

The teacher can tell him he won't be expelled but isn't the school administration the final authority on it? He may have a "nice surprise" waiting for him at the meeting.

[Anonymous]

I'm an instructor in higher ed. It's important to know what the teacher's instructions were about AI use and whether the child violated those specific instructions. I allow AI use for certain purposes (it's unreasonable not to and I use it in my own work). The teacher is probably at the beginning of a steep learning curve re: AI (I have stopped approaching students about AI use and now take a completely different tac). Good luck to you.

[Anonymous]

teachers should be teaching how to use AI For papers not disallowing it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:teachers should be teaching how to use AI For papers not disallowing it

The kids should not be lying about using it when specifically asked by the teachers if they used AI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are very disappointed that our child used AI for his English homework and when teacher asked child didn’t acknowledge.
Received a call from teacher and saw the work submitted (email). We had conversation with child who is very apologetic and understands wrong doing (9th grader). Child got really scared thinking they will be expelled so didn’t acknowledge using AI. Will be going to see teacher tomorrow to come clean apologize and take responsibility of wrong doing.
Teacher mentioned child will be meeting the vice principal and this will be a warning.
Will this go on sis and college applications. This is first time. Keep your negative comments to yourself as any human can make a mistake

I am sorry, dude. Your child cheated and as a parent you shoudl educate them! The consequence on future is far less important if your child didn’t learn this lesson and keep cheating.

[Anonymous]

General behavior issues (tardiness, mouthing off to a teacher, skipping class, beating up another student, vaping in the bathroom etc) - are disbarred from having academic consequences, correct? Yet something like improper AI use seems to get a stiffer punishment: students receive an automatic 0, may have something on permanent record, may be denied a letter of recomendation, and disallowed from joining honor society, all of which could have impacts on getting into college. But general bad behavior wouldn’t, is that correct?