Honor code violation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. My husband encourages this for corrections -

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

Honestly, what’s the difference between the editing Word automatically does versus what your child did. Was it grammar corrections or structure or entire premise?

OP, please do not go into the meeting with that question. Just do a mea culpa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. My husband encourages this for corrections -

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

Honestly, what’s the difference between the editing Word automatically does versus what your child did. Was it grammar corrections or structure or entire premise?

Structure and language changed way above their grade level. Once it was made perfect by Ai child didn’t realize how to dumb it down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are very disappointed that our child used AI for his English homework and when teacher asked child didn’t acknowledge.
Received a call from teacher and saw the work submitted (email). We had conversation with child who is very apologetic and understands wrong doing (9th grader). Child got really scared thinking they will be expelled so didn’t acknowledge using AI. Will be going to see teacher tomorrow to come clean apologize and take responsibility of wrong doing.
Teacher mentioned child will be meeting the vice principal and this will be a warning.
Will this go on sis and college applications. This is first time. Keep your negative comments to yourself as any human can make a mistake

What do you mean “will this go on college applications?”

I mean, i wouldn’t ask that teacher for a recommendation. Maybe your kid learns a lesson from this that would make a good essay, though.

Have you considered the likelihood this isn’t the first time he has done it, rather just the first time he has been caught?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. My husband encourages this for corrections -

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

Honestly, what’s the difference between the editing Word automatically does versus what your child did. Was it grammar corrections or structure or entire premise?

My two sons' teachers specifically have told them, "Do not use AI." They didn't say don't use it for this or don't use it for that. They have told their students do not use it.

Honestly, why can't people follow the rules set for them instead of trying to justify their behavior when they break the rules?

[Anonymous]

Sorry - for clarity - I asked the question about what changes were made by AI and failed to “” quote OP in the middle of my message. It was not OP asking the difference.

And yeah, if the teacher said absolutely no AI, that’s fine. We have all read “news” articles and posts (and posts on here!) that were clearly AI and no written appropriately for the context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why my child’s English teacher assigns all writing as in-class assignments. Teachers need to be smarter about this.

Our admin would be pissed if we “wasted” class time by having students write during class. Ironically, my son’s private school only has students write in class. 90% of my college midterms and finals were essays in blue books in class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are very disappointed that our child used AI for his English homework and when teacher asked child didn’t acknowledge.
Received a call from teacher and saw the work submitted (email). We had conversation with child who is very apologetic and understands wrong doing (9th grader). Child got really scared thinking they will be expelled so didn’t acknowledge using AI. Will be going to see teacher tomorrow to come clean apologize and take responsibility of wrong doing.
Teacher mentioned child will be meeting the vice principal and this will be a warning.
Will this go on sis and college applications. This is first time. Keep your negative comments to yourself as any human can make a mistake

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

This actually sounds like appropriate use of AI. I understand that it should be a violation to use AI to do your homework, but using AI as an informative tool to check your work is different. Is all use of AI prohibited? My son runs his original work through an AI checker that analyzes whether something was generated by AI to avoid having it be mistaken for AI usage (that is, using AI to avoid being accused of using AI). I've always thought that was appropriate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. My husband encourages this for corrections -

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

Honestly, what’s the difference between the editing Word automatically does versus what your child did. Was it grammar corrections or structure or entire premise?

My two sons' teachers specifically have told them, "Do not use AI." They didn't say don't use it for this or don't use it for that. They have told their students do not use it.

Honestly, why can't people follow the rules set for them instead of trying to justify their behavior when they break the rules?

Because the rules are hard to follow when they are ambiguous. I would think "Do not use AI" reasonably means don't have AI do your work for you but doesn't mean you can't spell-check, grammar-check, or look at AI-generated content in doing your research. The teacher should be clear about what constitutes "AI" and what constitutes "use" for purposes of the rule.

[Anonymous]

Man, you folks are something else. Blaming the teacher for the kid's cheating? Really? Sounds like you're saying "she asked for it." So, so wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Man, you folks are something else. Blaming the teacher for the kid's cheating? Really? Sounds like you're saying "she asked for it." So, so wrong.

OP here, we are not blaming the teacher. Child is taking full responsibility for the wrongdoing but agree with others that for a kid who just tuned 14 in July end it took us a few minutes to explain that it is considered cheating and he should have explained better to the teacher how he used it rather than saying no AI did not write it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers need to figure out assignments that can't utilize AI. They need to stop recycling assignments from 20 years ago.

Almost anything can utilize AI if a computer is involved in any way.

Stop insulting teachers by saying they are recycling 20-year-old assignments. AI is evolving far faster than any human can. Teachers are trying their best to keep up, but it's like racing a tortoise vs. a cheetah.

Exactly, assignments (completed on the computer, not handwritten) are not AI proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man, you folks are something else. Blaming the teacher for the kid's cheating? Really? Sounds like you're saying "she asked for it." So, so wrong.

OP here, we are not blaming the teacher. Child is taking full responsibility for the wrongdoing but agree with others that for a kid who just tuned 14 in July end it took us a few minutes to explain that it is considered cheating and he should have explained better to the teacher how he used it rather than saying no AI did not write it.

As a parent and teacher, when students start justifying how they use AI, they’re just covering their butts. It means that they know that they were caught and they’re just trying to limit the damage…they used AI for the whole thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are very disappointed that our child used AI for his English homework and when teacher asked child didn’t acknowledge.
Received a call from teacher and saw the work submitted (email). We had conversation with child who is very apologetic and understands wrong doing (9th grader). Child got really scared thinking they will be expelled so didn’t acknowledge using AI. Will be going to see teacher tomorrow to come clean apologize and take responsibility of wrong doing.
Teacher mentioned child will be meeting the vice principal and this will be a warning.
Will this go on sis and college applications. This is first time. Keep your negative comments to yourself as any human can make a mistake

OP again child did the original work but ran through AI asking if answer follows the prompt and used the answer with few changes

This actually sounds like appropriate use of AI. I understand that it should be a violation to use AI to do your homework, but using AI as an informative tool to check your work is different. Is all use of AI prohibited? My son runs his original work through an AI checker that analyzes whether something was generated by AI to avoid having it be mistaken for AI usage (that is, using AI to avoid being accused of using AI). I've always thought that was appropriate.

All of AI is cheating. Your son is cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are very disappointed that our child used AI for his English

This actually sounds like appropriate use of AI. I understand that it should be a violation to use AI to do your homework, but using AI as an informative tool to check your work is different. Is all use of AI prohibited? My son runs his original work through an AI checker that analyzes whether something was generated by AI to avoid having it be mistaken for AI usage (that is, using AI to avoid being accused of using AI). I've always thought that was appropriate.

All of AI is cheating. Your son is cheating.

Op here I did not post the above response. My original post never said we are defending the child did not cheat....Just trying to figure out what will happen on his progress report, and hopefully, this will help a few parents to talk to their kids, so kids understand not to run their work through AI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man, you folks are something else. Blaming the teacher for the kid's cheating? Really? Sounds like you're saying "she asked for it." So, so wrong.

OP here, we are not blaming the teacher. Child is taking full responsibility for the wrongdoing but agree with others that for a kid who just tuned 14 in July end it took us a few minutes to explain that it is considered cheating and he should have explained better to the teacher how he used it rather than saying no AI did not write it.

As a parent and teacher, when students start justifying how they use AI, they’re just covering their butts. It means that they know that they were caught and they’re just trying to limit the damage…they used AI for the whole thing.

Yes, this.