ID Sessions in Nov?
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Anonymous
Does bethesda and achilles also do these informal id sessions mid season? |
Anonymous
Did you not understand that they are going 11 v 11 for spring? |
Anonymous
lol even worse. I’m sorry for you that you think this is ok. |
Anonymous
No. Not PP but that was not clear to me. Thanks for clarifying! I was going to check it out since MLS Next has not announced school year but will avoid it now that I understand their plan. Kind of crazy that you actually think moving up to 11v11 is good. For Q4 2014’s, this change is the greatest gift available in US soccer if you know how to take advantage of a 3rd year in 9v9. |
Anonymous
So first of all the announcement is for 2013 and 2015 as well, so this excuse doesn't hold up for the whole thing. Second, I'm sure you don't think that u12 pre-ECNL is going to be 11v11 in the Spring. So at best they will just be doing 11v11 in EDP in addition to their 9v9 pre-ECNL, like several clubs are already doing. So why would they need to add extra players now? Why not just do 11v11 with the...checks the website... 23 guys on their roster right now? |
Anonymous
Where can you check the roster sizes? That is welcomed transparency. I don’t see them in multiple leagues like SYC does with their large rosters at this age. |
Anonymous
PRE-ECNL for the spring goes to 11 v 11. |
Anonymous
No. BSC is early in the spring before the others. Achilles is later in the spring. This year, who knows what all of these clubs are going to do though. |
Anonymous
Is that just for Mid-Atlantic and the clubs there in agreement or does that apply to all of Pre-ECNL and the Virginia Premier League as well. |
Anonymous
Curious to know what you see as the advantages of a 3rd year of 9v9. My DC's 2014 team (normally U12) is all-in on 11v11 (playing up at u13) and I see a lot of advantages to it. From my perspective, things that are a big improvement over 9v9: 1. First, just the league we're playing in. Last year, for pre-ecnl, we had maybe 3 competitive games (games within 3 goals), some blowouts (10+ goal difference), and a lot of lopsided games (everything else). This year, almost every game is competitive which forces the team to play better each week, not just on the rare occasion we play a similarly skilled team. 2. A lot less focus on individual skills and more on team-based skills. Does your kid know where to be when they don't have the ball? When your kid beats their opponent, what do they do next and does it help the team? Can your kid pass accurately over longer distances? 3. Keepers can't punt 3/4 of the field which led to awkward punting battles where no one wanted to head the ball or touch it with anything other than their feet. Sure, a couple kids would run towards the punts, but not most. Punting is still a challenge in 11v11 but there's no more punting back and forth between the keepers 4. It felt like a lot of 9v9 games revolved around one player who could kick the ball far (and occasionally into the goal) or who was super fast and could run past the other teams' defenders. We lost a few games last year because the other team had 1 big kid who could kill the ball in the air all the way from the center circle to the goal. That doesn't happen in U13 11v11. That same kid still likes to kick the ball far, but because they never learned to dribble or run, they're not scoring goals anymore. 5. Similar to individual vs team-based skills, players need to be multi-dimensional. The kid who was a good defender because they were slow but could knock over anyone who got close is no longer as effective. The player who could dribble through 2 defenders but can't pass or handle balls in the air is no longer effective. The speedy forwards who could just run past the defenders is no longer effective. My kid is a Q4 birthday so we are not looking forward to the prospect of going back to 9v9 next year, but curious to hear what others think. |
Anonymous
Achilles only offers boutique ID sessions |
Anonymous
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Achilles only offers boutique ID sessions What do you mean by that? What are the sessions Achilles offers before tryouts? |
Anonymous
Achilles only offers boutique ID sessions What do you mean by that? What are the sessions Achilles offers before tryouts? From my experience, Achilles will always welcome players to training. Just email them at the email on the website. It might even be sal@salsoccer.com, but I'm not positive. They also are great about allowing their current players to attend other teams' training, and guest playing. The "boutique" joke has now gotten old. |
Anonymous
This perception is common among Americans. An easy representation of the development is the last weekends result with SYC vs. BSC. If you look up BSC's posting of the results, it gives a good graphic representation of US soccer development. SYC dominant in the younger years and then reverses once puberty hits. Current SYC U12 plays up in 11v11 and has the dominant athletes who can handle 11v11 at the earlier ages. Honestly, I don't think any U12 club in our area comes close to SYC's top U12 team right now. Unfortunately, those kids will be surpassed if they continue with the development methodology. BSC stays on the smaller pitch, learns how to quickly process under pressure which matters later on. SYC dominates BSC in the earlier years. As maturity kicks in, SYC trails off as the early physicality advantages are neutralized by puberty. Here are my responses in bold to your questions: 1. First, just the league we're playing in. Last year, for pre-ecnl, we had maybe 3 competitive games (games within 3 goals), some blowouts (10+ goal difference), and a lot of lopsided games (everything else). This year, almost every game is competitive which forces the team to play better each week, not just on the rare occasion we play a similarly skilled team. Your situation may be the best you have available under the current structure. Because we are a VA MLS Next club, we don't play you guys often. My son's team is not that strong but we would beat PWSC as I know most of those kids and Arlington who we have handled in the past. Our games are usually close in our games in our league. There are a few outlier teams but you guys dilute alot of talent with so many clubs on the ECNL side of VA. If the local teams played each other from VA and MD at U12, clubs would not need to supplement by jumping up early. We have alot of talent locally 2. A lot less focus on individual skills and more on team-based skills. Does your kid know where to be when they don't have the ball? When your kid beats their opponent, what do they do next and does it help the team? Can your kid pass accurately over longer distances? I think we are saying similar things in a different way. What I have seen watching the U13 ECNL and MLS games this year is how poor movement off the ball and first touch. It is a glorified track meet in 11v11. The entire reason I want to stay in 9v9 is to work on first touch around defenders in tight spaces, off-ball movement, give and go, etc. in tighter spaces. It is similar to the benefits of futsal. You master how to work in the tight spaces, you will dominate when the field opens up. My kid is a Q4 2014 but played up alot before the 2013's became 11v11. I am hoping more quality Q4 2014's and clubs see the benefits of playing 9v9 and understand the long-term benefits. If my son is the best player on the 9v9 team, then we will have to play up but I am hoping that is not the case. Personally, I don't care about passing over long distances until after puberty. Up to age 14 is about technical development. It is akin to kid's learning a 2nd language as toddlers. 3. Keepers can't punt 3/4 of the field which led to awkward punting battles where no one wanted to head the ball or touch it with anything other than their feet. Sure, a couple kids would run towards the punts, but not most. Punting is still a challenge in 11v11 but there's no more punting back and forth between the keepers This is a problem. Every club my son has played for has coached how to bring the ball down out of the air. We have always played out of the back or played long diagonal balls to the wingers to break the press. This is a coaching problem, not a formation problem. American parents are always yelling boot it. When we lose goals, it is typically a mistake in the back. I am okay with our kids learning now as it pays dividends in the future 4. It felt like a lot of 9v9 games revolved around one player who could kick the ball far (and occasionally into the goal) or who was super fast and could run past the other teams' defenders. We lost a few games last year because the other team had 1 big kid who could kill the ball in the air all the way from the center circle to the goal. That doesn't happen in U13 11v11. That same kid still likes to kick the ball far, but because they never learned to dribble or run, they're not scoring goals anymore. Correct. This is the American way. While we are not with Achilles, this is why they get crucified. They are willing to lose to those teams and don't care. While my kid's team wins more than losses, I don't care about the result. Those kids will be out of the game by U14 who are booting it when they realize they should have been focusing on the technical aspects of the game through age 14. 5. Similar to individual vs team-based skills, players need to be multi-dimensional. The kid who was a good defender because they were slow but could knock over anyone who got close is no longer as effective. The player who could dribble through 2 defenders but can't pass or handle balls in the air is no longer effective. The speedy forwards who could just run past the defenders is no longer effective. Again correct. I am seeing this now in our 9v9 league. EVERYBODY is fast because everybody these are the best of Pre-MLS Next teams. Our kids are learning that you need an elite first touch and using give and go's and off the ball movement to beat defenders. I laugh when I see so many IG clips from parents. At the highest levels, these kids are equivalent and you see much less dominant 1v1's. In summary, we are not too different. Because I trust alot of people who grew up overseas and I know most European kids are still playing 7v7 at U12, I am doing things a little differently and hopefully spreading the word. It is tough. I don't want to be an Achilles parent and watch my kid develop but lose every game. That is a tough pillow to swallow until they start stacking the results in U14 and later as they truly do know what they are doing. |
Anonymous
This is well said. There is a reason most countries with far superior soccer for boys waits until later to go full field. Certain clubs going 11v11 is mainly for more revenue and to have lesser informed think that they are getting a leg up on others. I have several friends playing u13 with u12 team and they are mostly playing 3rd and 2nd level teams. My friends have said the development has sucked and competition is poor. They are seeing that there kid is getting less technical work because the field is so much bigger. To each their own, but I really appreciate staying at 9v9. |