Political Hypocrisy?

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Anonymous wrote:Article II, Section 1: “The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States.”

Ah but what is executive power? It's the power granted to the President by the Constitution, the Legislature and the courts, and nothing more. Not whatever the President wants it to be. We are not a dictatorship. The President does not have whatever unlimited powers he wants.

No. Read duties of the president in the Constitution. As the legislature, you don't redefine the duties of a president by definitions and statutes. It's stated in the language.

You don't create federal cabinet level departments under the executive branch and then tell the administrative state they have power over the president. No way in hell is that how our govt is supposed to run.

US codes and statutes do NOT obviate the Constitution. Ever.

The bold is true. But, you seem to have missed the fact that if the legislative branch approves legislation and the President signs and that the judiciary branch finds that it is constitutional, the statute is not obviating the Constitution. The so-called administrative state does not have power over the President but the President does not have the power to ignore laws.

If the administrative state does not have power over the president, then why was DJT dragged into court over classified documents. HE embodies the classification since he is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Classifications and state secrets aren't mentioned in the Constitution, but the president IS the top dog in the executive branch, which the military and IC fall under. Almost ALL federal departments, bureaus and agencies fall under the executive branch and the cabinets do also.

Simple. Trump didn't follow the law. MAGAs frequently confuse the head of the executive branch with a dictator. Or, more accurately, only have that confusion when Trump is President. Otherwise, you guys don't think the President has any power. There is a legal mechanism of declassifying documents. Trump did not follow that procedure. Had Trump returned the documents when asked, his violation of the law would not have been a big deal. However, he refused to comply and that's what resulted in problems.

We are supposed to have a government of laws, not men. Trump is a President, bound by laws. Not a king. Please try to remember that.

WHAT LAW?

He IS the law! By virtue of being CICAF. HE is the Original Classification Authority by his position!

This is like an Abbott and Costello Who's on First conversation.

No, he is not the law. You have again confused a president with a king. Please try not to make that mistake.

No, you are citing a statute that you believe override the inherent powers of a president.

Your position seems to be that the President can declassify something by simply thinking about it and keeping the declassification entirely in his head. The problem with that is that nobody knows, nor can he prove, that the declassification took place. Do you really believe that is an acceptable process?

Imagine that tomorrow Joe Biden releases U.S. contingency plans for a U.S. attack on Iran and says that he declassified them when he was President. Would you consider that legal? Would you defend Biden for acting within his inherent powers?
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It would be absolute chaos for the IC, not knowing what is or isn't classified info.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Article II, Section 1: “The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States.”

Ah but what is executive power? It's the power granted to the President by the Constitution, the Legislature and the courts, and nothing more. Not whatever the President wants it to be. We are not a dictatorship. The President does not have whatever unlimited powers he wants.

No. Read duties of the president in the Constitution. As the legislature, you don't redefine the duties of a president by definitions and statutes. It's stated in the language.

You don't create federal cabinet level departments under the executive branch and then tell the administrative state they have power over the president. No way in hell is that how our govt is supposed to run.

US codes and statutes do NOT obviate the Constitution. Ever.

The bold is true. But, you seem to have missed the fact that if the legislative branch approves legislation and the President signs and that the judiciary branch finds that it is constitutional, the statute is not obviating the Constitution. The so-called administrative state does not have power over the President but the President does not have the power to ignore laws.

If the administrative state does not have power over the president, then why was DJT dragged into court over classified documents. HE embodies the classification since he is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Classifications and state secrets aren't mentioned in the Constitution, but the president IS the top dog in the executive branch, which the military and IC fall under. Almost ALL federal departments, bureaus and agencies fall under the executive branch and the cabinets do also.

Simple. Trump didn't follow the law. MAGAs frequently confuse the head of the executive branch with a dictator. Or, more accurately, only have that confusion when Trump is President. Otherwise, you guys don't think the President has any power. There is a legal mechanism of declassifying documents. Trump did not follow that procedure. Had Trump returned the documents when asked, his violation of the law would not have been a big deal. However, he refused to comply and that's what resulted in problems.

We are supposed to have a government of laws, not men. Trump is a President, bound by laws. Not a king. Please try to remember that.

WHAT LAW?

He IS the law! By virtue of being CICAF. HE is the Original Classification Authority by his position!

This is like an Abbott and Costello Who's on First conversation.

No, he is not the law. You have again confused a president with a king. Please try not to make that mistake.

No, you are citing a statute that you believe override the inherent powers of a president.

Your position seems to be that the President can declassify something by simply thinking about it and keeping the declassification entirely in his head. The problem with that is that nobody knows, nor can he prove, that the declassification took place. Do you really believe that is an acceptable process?

Imagine that tomorrow Joe Biden releases U.S. contingency plans for a U.S. attack on Iran and says that he declassified them when he was President. Would you consider that legal? Would you defend Biden for acting within his inherent powers?

I messed my post up somehow -

It would be absolute chaos for the IC if they couldn't know what is or isn't classified, because none of it's documented and it's all just in the President's head.