Air India crash

[Anonymous]

That's how you stall. To get out of a stall you nose down but not at 600 feet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a video showing plane rolling down runaway with no flaps, no flaps in air ,sinking down nose slightly up.
Human or mechanical issue not clear.
https://x.com/iAmAlinaClaire/status/1933238094058381458?t=fdFXrOiYjZf_P4sCnqN7xg&s=19

That is a crazy video! To a layman, that looks like a normal takeoff. It’s so odd that it started sinking with the nose still pointed up.

Overloaded in weight?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a video showing plane rolling down runaway with no flaps, no flaps in air ,sinking down nose slightly up.
Human or mechanical issue not clear.
https://x.com/iAmAlinaClaire/status/1933238094058381458?t=fdFXrOiYjZf_P4sCnqN7xg&s=19

That is a crazy video! To a layman, that looks like a normal takeoff. It’s so odd that it started sinking with the nose still pointed up.

Overloaded in weight?

Again, zero evidence of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a video showing plane rolling down runaway with no flaps, no flaps in air ,sinking down nose slightly up.
Human or mechanical issue not clear.
https://x.com/iAmAlinaClaire/status/1933238094058381458?t=fdFXrOiYjZf_P4sCnqN7xg&s=19

That is a crazy video! To a layman, that looks like a normal takeoff. It’s so odd that it started sinking with the nose still pointed up.

Overloaded in weight?

Again, zero evidence of that.

Agree we don’t have answers yet but given it didn’t lift off properly at takeoff with nose up, wouldn’t that fit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a video showing plane rolling down runaway with no flaps, no flaps in air ,sinking down nose slightly up.
Human or mechanical issue not clear.
https://x.com/iAmAlinaClaire/status/1933238094058381458?t=fdFXrOiYjZf_P4sCnqN7xg&s=19

That is a crazy video! To a layman, that looks like a normal takeoff. It’s so odd that it started sinking with the nose still pointed up.

Overloaded in weight?

Again, zero evidence of that.

Agree we don’t have answers yet but given it didn’t lift off properly at takeoff with nose up, wouldn’t that fit?

From The Telegraph. One expert thinks a bird strike to both engines is most likely scenario. :

“It is possible the cause of the crash was that it was too heavy to take-off.

The weather, again, is a factor in this as that dictates how much ground velocity a plane needs to generate enough lift to get airborne.

However, this is checked by the airline ahead of take-off and experts say unless there was egregious oversight or error on this then it is improbable as a root cause.

“It is very unlikely the plane was overweight or carrying too much fuel – there are careful checks on this,” said Prof McDermid.’

[Anonymous]

This is why you never fly third world airlines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a video showing plane rolling down runaway with no flaps, no flaps in air ,sinking down nose slightly up.
Human or mechanical issue not clear.
https://x.com/iAmAlinaClaire/status/1933238094058381458?t=fdFXrOiYjZf_P4sCnqN7xg&s=19

That is a crazy video! To a layman, that looks like a normal takeoff. It’s so odd that it started sinking with the nose still pointed up.

Overloaded in weight?

Again, zero evidence of that.

Agree we don’t have answers yet but given it didn’t lift off properly at takeoff with nose up, wouldn’t that fit?

The things I have seen online (airliners.net, pilot forums) said it looked like there was no thrust from the engines in the videos, and the mayday call from the pilots said they had no thrust. Seems like the issue is that somehow the engines lost power, there are a number of reasons why that might have happened- bird strike, a massive electrical or hydraulic failure that shut down the engines, fuel contamination, or maybe the pilots put in the wrong thrust commands. Probably other possibilities as well.

[Anonymous]

there's really no way to know, especially as just a normie.

A pilot I follow who walks through and explains things thoroughly, Captain Steve, said that if he had to guess based on the video and available info, he thinks that one of the pilots made a significant mistake, retracting the flaps instead of the landing gear as they ascended. He says that because there's no evidence of any explosion/sparks/mechanical issue/birds etc and the landing gear was up far higher than it would have been normally. He also says the flaps being configured incorrectly earlier would have been something no living human could have ignored on any plane because they plane locks up and if you manually override it, you hear honking and sirens.

[Anonymous]

I saw a video last night that someone posted who had been on the previous flight of this plane (so the inbound to the city in India) - they had massive power issues the whole flight. The air conditioning wasn't working, seat TVs were out, the call buttons were out, like literally anything electrical in the plane was out. He took a picture of the outside side of the plane to show it was the same call number. He had videos inside of them all hot and miserable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw a video last night that someone posted who had been on the previous flight of this plane (so the inbound to the city in India) - they had massive power issues the whole flight. The air conditioning wasn't working, seat TVs were out, the call buttons were out, like literally anything electrical in the plane was out. He took a picture of the outside side of the plane to show it was the same call number. He had videos inside of them all hot and miserable.

Something like that, if it got worse and somehow triggered a full systems electrical failure, might end up being what happened. Might also explain the potential issues with the flaps and slats possibly not operating properly, but that right now is very hard to tell based on choppy video, etc. Or it might be a mix of things. But the data recorder will very likely be recovered and will probably show a lot more than anyone can know right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:there's really no way to know, especially as just a normie.

A pilot I follow who walks through and explains things thoroughly, Captain Steve, said that if he had to guess based on the video and available info, he thinks that one of the pilots made a significant mistake, retracting the flaps instead of the landing gear as they ascended. He says that because there's no evidence of any explosion/sparks/mechanical issue/birds etc and the landing gear was up far higher than it would have been normally. He also says the flaps being configured incorrectly earlier would have been something no living human could have ignored on any plane because they plane locks up and if you manually override it, you hear honking and sirens.

But the survivor said there was a loud bang or something before the plane went down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there's really no way to know, especially as just a normie.

A pilot I follow who walks through and explains things thoroughly, Captain Steve, said that if he had to guess based on the video and available info, he thinks that one of the pilots made a significant mistake, retracting the flaps instead of the landing gear as they ascended. He says that because there's no evidence of any explosion/sparks/mechanical issue/birds etc and the landing gear was up far higher than it would have been normally. He also says the flaps being configured incorrectly earlier would have been something no living human could have ignored on any plane because they plane locks up and if you manually override it, you hear honking and sirens.

But the survivor said there was a loud bang or something before the plane went down.

Moving the flaps at the wrong moment would cause a loud bang, and also, passengers aren't exactly experts about airplanes and the noises that they might hear at any given time... especially not passengers who just experienced a major trauma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw a video last night that someone posted who had been on the previous flight of this plane (so the inbound to the city in India) - they had massive power issues the whole flight. The air conditioning wasn't working, seat TVs were out, the call buttons were out, like literally anything electrical in the plane was out. He took a picture of the outside side of the plane to show it was the same call number. He had videos inside of them all hot and miserable.

Good debunking of that person here by someone very knowledgeable of planes, airline industry, etc. I wouldn't assume that this is any evidence of electrical problems- of course it's possible there WERE electrical issues, but this dude simply isn't any evidence of that.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/shocking-video-air-india-boeing-787-cabin-before-crash/

The comment about the flaps absolutely rings false- it's hard to imagine anyone who isn't a pilot or deep expert on airplane functionality to note something wrong with the flaps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I refuse to fly those Boeing 787s.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/whistleblower-outlines-safety-concern-boeing-787-dreamliner-rcna148063

It is the safest plane in the history of aviation. If you don't fly that you should not fly anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a video showing plane rolling down runaway with no flaps, no flaps in air ,sinking down nose slightly up.
Human or mechanical issue not clear.
https://x.com/iAmAlinaClaire/status/1933238094058381458?t=fdFXrOiYjZf_P4sCnqN7xg&s=19

That is a crazy video! To a layman, that looks like a normal takeoff. It’s so odd that it started sinking with the nose still pointed up.

Overloaded in weight?

There have been a few instances where the weight loaded into the planes computers did not match the actual weight causing issues.