Algebra Honors 8th grade

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Anonymous wrote:I would do honors. Every parent I know who has had a kid take a non-honors class has regretted it, the classes move really slow and the kids are far less motivated to take the class seriously.

I agree. And another point that my son agreed with is that if the problem is mostly organization then that won’t change in non honors. That’s just a skill your child is learning. So then they’ll still get a B because of lack of organization, but now not in honors.

Op here, good point. I was just thinking if the class was going slower, maybe it gave more time to study for tests/concepts etc. but at the end of the day, I am convinced the content/material wasn't the challenge for DC. They also didn't take advantage of the retake policy for summatives despite my urging and never studied till the last moment. So frustrating to see!

Your child doesn’t sound like honors material, frankly. He will do the same thing or even worse if he continues with honors. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Does every kid taking Geometry Honors have an A in Algebra Honors?

Most do, yes. The algebra teacher did not recommend honors classes to kids with less than an A- in Algebra 1 Honors. A B is considered very low for an Algebra 1 Honors in FCPS, when this last year even allowed retakes to 100.

Not at all true. FCPS has open enrollment. Contrary to what you read here, they didn’t all have As. I have no idea what was recommended for DD. We didn’t see the recommendations and she signed up for whatever she wanted. She didn’t have an A and signed up for honors but did end up switching at the lady mat minute because she doesn’t enjoy math.

I know they have open enrollment. A lot of kids who shouldn’t take honors do, despite their teacher’s recommendation. I asked OP what their child’s teacher recommended and have not heard a response.

A solid B would not, imo, move on to another honors math class. Also, did you not see the child only passed, not pass advanced, on the Algebra SOL?

You are quoting me and we are the other side of this discussion. We know not every kid has an A because my kid ended up with a D in honors Alg 1. That’s not a typo. You are correct, she should not have taken it and I did not want her to. Along with open enrollment, parents do not sign off on enrollment so kids can sign up for anything they want. That’s how she ended up in this class to begin with. And yes, she passed the SOL with a 465. She’s retaking the class and I’ve convinced her to not take honors again.

This is only relevant because I have no idea what her teachers have ever recommended her for. Every time I’ve emailed, they’ve told me she should stay in the class during the year and it’s ultimately her decision, which is beyond frustrating. I know passing an SOL means nothing with Desmos in the test.

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My kid got a pass (not advanced) on the SOL and an B+ in the class and took Geometry honors this year. No issues. They got an A.

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Anonymous wrote:I would do honors. Every parent I know who has had a kid take a non-honors class has regretted it, the classes move really slow and the kids are far less motivated to take the class seriously.

I agree. And another point that my son agreed with is that if the problem is mostly organization then that won’t change in non honors. That’s just a skill your child is learning. So then they’ll still get a B because of lack of organization, but now not in honors.

Op here, good point. I was just thinking if the class was going slower, maybe it gave more time to study for tests/concepts etc. but at the end of the day, I am convinced the content/material wasn't the challenge for DC. They also didn't take advantage of the retake policy for summatives despite my urging and never studied till the last moment. So frustrating to see!

Your child doesn’t sound like honors material, frankly. He will do the same thing or even worse if he continues with honors. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Does every kid taking Geometry Honors have an A in Algebra Honors?

Most do, yes. The algebra teacher did not recommend honors classes to kids with less than an A- in Algebra 1 Honors. A B is considered very low for an Algebra 1 Honors in FCPS, when this last year even allowed retakes to 100.

Not at all true. FCPS has open enrollment. Contrary to what you read here, they didn’t all have As. I have no idea what was recommended for DD. We didn’t see the recommendations and she signed up for whatever she wanted. She didn’t have an A and signed up for honors but did end up switching at the lady mat minute because she doesn’t enjoy math.

I know they have open enrollment. A lot of kids who shouldn’t take honors do, despite their teacher’s recommendation. I asked OP what their child’s teacher recommended and have not heard a response.

A solid B would not, imo, move on to another honors math class. Also, did you not see the child only passed, not pass advanced, on the Algebra SOL?

OP here. Teacher said she had no reason not to recommend Honors and thought DC needed to mature. But this was back when course selections was happening and at that point, DC had an A- in the class.

And look, I know you are itching to kick people out of Honors but DC is in AAP and has never struggled in Math (or other subjects) until this one grade. They have As in all other content.

I’m not itching to kick out kids from honors…I am offering another perspective. You are free to make your own decisions. But obviously there is a concern with a B in Algebra Honors.

There is zero concern with a B. A B is a good grade. And it is extremely hard to get back on the honors/AP track if you get off. I have definitely seen that happen. He’s in AAP. He’s clearly capable. Soldier on with honors. Might he get a B? sure. It’s a B…not an F.

There’s no AAP once you get to high school. I don’t know about you, but my kid doesn’t want Bs on his transcript. He wants UVA or W&M.

But UVA and W&M want honors A students.

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Anonymous wrote:I would do honors. Every parent I know who has had a kid take a non-honors class has regretted it, the classes move really slow and the kids are far less motivated to take the class seriously.

I agree. And another point that my son agreed with is that if the problem is mostly organization then that won’t change in non honors. That’s just a skill your child is learning. So then they’ll still get a B because of lack of organization, but now not in honors.

Op here, good point. I was just thinking if the class was going slower, maybe it gave more time to study for tests/concepts etc. but at the end of the day, I am convinced the content/material wasn't the challenge for DC. They also didn't take advantage of the retake policy for summatives despite my urging and never studied till the last moment. So frustrating to see!

Your child doesn’t sound like honors material, frankly. He will do the same thing or even worse if he continues with honors. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Does every kid taking Geometry Honors have an A in Algebra Honors?

Most do, yes. The algebra teacher did not recommend honors classes to kids with less than an A- in Algebra 1 Honors. A B is considered very low for an Algebra 1 Honors in FCPS, when this last year even allowed retakes to 100.

Not at all true. FCPS has open enrollment. Contrary to what you read here, they didn’t all have As. I have no idea what was recommended for DD. We didn’t see the recommendations and she signed up for whatever she wanted. She didn’t have an A and signed up for honors but did end up switching at the lady mat minute because she doesn’t enjoy math.

I know they have open enrollment. A lot of kids who shouldn’t take honors do, despite their teacher’s recommendation. I asked OP what their child’s teacher recommended and have not heard a response.

A solid B would not, imo, move on to another honors math class. Also, did you not see the child only passed, not pass advanced, on the Algebra SOL?

OP here. Teacher said she had no reason not to recommend Honors and thought DC needed to mature. But this was back when course selections was happening and at that point, DC had an A- in the class.

And look, I know you are itching to kick people out of Honors but DC is in AAP and has never struggled in Math (or other subjects) until this one grade. They have As in all other content.

I’m not itching to kick out kids from honors…I am offering another perspective. You are free to make your own decisions. But obviously there is a concern with a B in Algebra Honors.

There is zero concern with a B. A B is a good grade. And it is extremely hard to get back on the honors/AP track if you get off. I have definitely seen that happen. He’s in AAP. He’s clearly capable. Soldier on with honors. Might he get a B? sure. It’s a B…not an F.

There’s no AAP once you get to high school. I don’t know about you, but my kid doesn’t want Bs on his transcript. He wants UVA or W&M.

But UVA and W&M want honors A students.

That’s true. But ultimately it would look better to have a higher GPA. Take honors in English, history, science then. A B in honors math doesn’t look as good as an A in a regular math class. And even if you get off the honors track, you can still take calculus AB as a senior, assuming regular Geometry in 9th.

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Anonymous wrote:I would do honors. Every parent I know who has had a kid take a non-honors class has regretted it, the classes move really slow and the kids are far less motivated to take the class seriously.

I agree. And another point that my son agreed with is that if the problem is mostly organization then that won’t change in non honors. That’s just a skill your child is learning. So then they’ll still get a B because of lack of organization, but now not in honors.

Op here, good point. I was just thinking if the class was going slower, maybe it gave more time to study for tests/concepts etc. but at the end of the day, I am convinced the content/material wasn't the challenge for DC. They also didn't take advantage of the retake policy for summatives despite my urging and never studied till the last moment. So frustrating to see!

Your child doesn’t sound like honors material, frankly. He will do the same thing or even worse if he continues with honors. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Does every kid taking Geometry Honors have an A in Algebra Honors?

Most do, yes. The algebra teacher did not recommend honors classes to kids with less than an A- in Algebra 1 Honors. A B is considered very low for an Algebra 1 Honors in FCPS, when this last year even allowed retakes to 100.

Not at all true. FCPS has open enrollment. Contrary to what you read here, they didn’t all have As. I have no idea what was recommended for DD. We didn’t see the recommendations and she signed up for whatever she wanted. She didn’t have an A and signed up for honors but did end up switching at the lady mat minute because she doesn’t enjoy math.

I know they have open enrollment. A lot of kids who shouldn’t take honors do, despite their teacher’s recommendation. I asked OP what their child’s teacher recommended and have not heard a response.

A solid B would not, imo, move on to another honors math class. Also, did you not see the child only passed, not pass advanced, on the Algebra SOL?

OP here. Teacher said she had no reason not to recommend Honors and thought DC needed to mature. But this was back when course selections was happening and at that point, DC had an A- in the class.

And look, I know you are itching to kick people out of Honors but DC is in AAP and has never struggled in Math (or other subjects) until this one grade. They have As in all other content.

I’m not itching to kick out kids from honors…I am offering another perspective. You are free to make your own decisions. But obviously there is a concern with a B in Algebra Honors.

There is zero concern with a B. A B is a good grade. And it is extremely hard to get back on the honors/AP track if you get off. I have definitely seen that happen. He’s in AAP. He’s clearly capable. Soldier on with honors. Might he get a B? sure. It’s a B…not an F.

There’s no AAP once you get to high school. I don’t know about you, but my kid doesn’t want Bs on his transcript. He wants UVA or W&M.

But UVA and W&M want honors A students.

That’s true. But ultimately it would look better to have a higher GPA. Take honors in English, history, science then. A B in honors math doesn’t look as good as an A in a regular math class. And even if you get off the honors track, you can still take calculus AB as a senior, assuming regular Geometry in 9th.

The most academically disinterested kid I know of asked his parents to move him into honors classes in HS because the regular classes were that slow and the kids that disinterested. The kid ould have had easy As and choose to move into classes with hard Cs. I would not sign my kid up for a non-honors class, I just wouldn't. The grade might be lower in the Honors class but they will at least learn something. The regular classes are not where you want to go to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:I would do honors. Every parent I know who has had a kid take a non-honors class has regretted it, the classes move really slow and the kids are far less motivated to take the class seriously.

I agree. And another point that my son agreed with is that if the problem is mostly organization then that won’t change in non honors. That’s just a skill your child is learning. So then they’ll still get a B because of lack of organization, but now not in honors.

Op here, good point. I was just thinking if the class was going slower, maybe it gave more time to study for tests/concepts etc. but at the end of the day, I am convinced the content/material wasn't the challenge for DC. They also didn't take advantage of the retake policy for summatives despite my urging and never studied till the last moment. So frustrating to see!

Your child doesn’t sound like honors material, frankly. He will do the same thing or even worse if he continues with honors. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Does every kid taking Geometry Honors have an A in Algebra Honors?

Most do, yes. The algebra teacher did not recommend honors classes to kids with less than an A- in Algebra 1 Honors. A B is considered very low for an Algebra 1 Honors in FCPS, when this last year even allowed retakes to 100.

Not at all true. FCPS has open enrollment. Contrary to what you read here, they didn’t all have As. I have no idea what was recommended for DD. We didn’t see the recommendations and she signed up for whatever she wanted. She didn’t have an A and signed up for honors but did end up switching at the lady mat minute because she doesn’t enjoy math.

I know they have open enrollment. A lot of kids who shouldn’t take honors do, despite their teacher’s recommendation. I asked OP what their child’s teacher recommended and have not heard a response.

A solid B would not, imo, move on to another honors math class. Also, did you not see the child only passed, not pass advanced, on the Algebra SOL?

OP here. Teacher said she had no reason not to recommend Honors and thought DC needed to mature. But this was back when course selections was happening and at that point, DC had an A- in the class.

And look, I know you are itching to kick people out of Honors but DC is in AAP and has never struggled in Math (or other subjects) until this one grade. They have As in all other content.

I’m not itching to kick out kids from honors…I am offering another perspective. You are free to make your own decisions. But obviously there is a concern with a B in Algebra Honors.

There is zero concern with a B. A B is a good grade. And it is extremely hard to get back on the honors/AP track if you get off. I have definitely seen that happen. He’s in AAP. He’s clearly capable. Soldier on with honors. Might he get a B? sure. It’s a B…not an F.

There’s no AAP once you get to high school. I don’t know about you, but my kid doesn’t want Bs on his transcript. He wants UVA or W&M.

But UVA and W&M want honors A students.

That’s true. But ultimately it would look better to have a higher GPA. Take honors in English, history, science then. A B in honors math doesn’t look as good as an A in a regular math class. And even if you get off the honors track, you can still take calculus AB as a senior, assuming regular Geometry in 9th.

The most academically disinterested kid I know of asked his parents to move him into honors classes in HS because the regular classes were that slow and the kids that disinterested. The kid ould have had easy As and choose to move into classes with hard Cs. I would not sign my kid up for a non-honors class, I just wouldn't. The grade might be lower in the Honors class but they will at least learn something. The regular classes are not where you want to go to learn.

I find that this is HS dependent. At our HS, non-Honors classes are fine and have plenty of "academically interested" kids. But we have heard from others this isn't true at their HS and that taking Honors classes is a must.

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Anonymous wrote:I would do honors. Every parent I know who has had a kid take a non-honors class has regretted it, the classes move really slow and the kids are far less motivated to take the class seriously.

I agree. And another point that my son agreed with is that if the problem is mostly organization then that won’t change in non honors. That’s just a skill your child is learning. So then they’ll still get a B because of lack of organization, but now not in honors.

Op here, good point. I was just thinking if the class was going slower, maybe it gave more time to study for tests/concepts etc. but at the end of the day, I am convinced the content/material wasn't the challenge for DC. They also didn't take advantage of the retake policy for summatives despite my urging and never studied till the last moment. So frustrating to see!

Your child doesn’t sound like honors material, frankly. He will do the same thing or even worse if he continues with honors. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Does every kid taking Geometry Honors have an A in Algebra Honors?

Most do, yes. The algebra teacher did not recommend honors classes to kids with less than an A- in Algebra 1 Honors. A B is considered very low for an Algebra 1 Honors in FCPS, when this last year even allowed retakes to 100.

Not at all true. FCPS has open enrollment. Contrary to what you read here, they didn’t all have As. I have no idea what was recommended for DD. We didn’t see the recommendations and she signed up for whatever she wanted. She didn’t have an A and signed up for honors but did end up switching at the lady mat minute because she doesn’t enjoy math.

I know they have open enrollment. A lot of kids who shouldn’t take honors do, despite their teacher’s recommendation. I asked OP what their child’s teacher recommended and have not heard a response.

A solid B would not, imo, move on to another honors math class. Also, did you not see the child only passed, not pass advanced, on the Algebra SOL?

OP here. Teacher said she had no reason not to recommend Honors and thought DC needed to mature. But this was back when course selections was happening and at that point, DC had an A- in the class.

And look, I know you are itching to kick people out of Honors but DC is in AAP and has never struggled in Math (or other subjects) until this one grade. They have As in all other content.

I’m not itching to kick out kids from honors…I am offering another perspective. You are free to make your own decisions. But obviously there is a concern with a B in Algebra Honors.

There is zero concern with a B. A B is a good grade. And it is extremely hard to get back on the honors/AP track if you get off. I have definitely seen that happen. He’s in AAP. He’s clearly capable. Soldier on with honors. Might he get a B? sure. It’s a B…not an F.

There’s no AAP once you get to high school. I don’t know about you, but my kid doesn’t want Bs on his transcript. He wants UVA or W&M.

But UVA and W&M want honors A students.

That’s true. But ultimately it would look better to have a higher GPA. Take honors in English, history, science then. A B in honors math doesn’t look as good as an A in a regular math class. And even if you get off the honors track, you can still take calculus AB as a senior, assuming regular Geometry in 9th.

The most academically disinterested kid I know of asked his parents to move him into honors classes in HS because the regular classes were that slow and the kids that disinterested. The kid ould have had easy As and choose to move into classes with hard Cs. I would not sign my kid up for a non-honors class, I just wouldn't. The grade might be lower in the Honors class but they will at least learn something. The regular classes are not where you want to go to learn.

I find that this is HS dependent. At our HS, non-Honors classes are fine and have plenty of "academically interested" kids. But we have heard from others this isn't true at their HS and that taking Honors classes is a must.

DP. It's definitely school dependent both in MS and HS.

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Anonymous wrote:I would do honors. Every parent I know who has had a kid take a non-honors class has regretted it, the classes move really slow and the kids are far less motivated to take the class seriously.

I agree. And another point that my son agreed with is that if the problem is mostly organization then that won’t change in non honors. That’s just a skill your child is learning. So then they’ll still get a B because of lack of organization, but now not in honors.

Op here, good point. I was just thinking if the class was going slower, maybe it gave more time to study for tests/concepts etc. but at the end of the day, I am convinced the content/material wasn't the challenge for DC. They also didn't take advantage of the retake policy for summatives despite my urging and never studied till the last moment. So frustrating to see!

Your child doesn’t sound like honors material, frankly. He will do the same thing or even worse if he continues with honors. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Does every kid taking Geometry Honors have an A in Algebra Honors?

Most do, yes. The algebra teacher did not recommend honors classes to kids with less than an A- in Algebra 1 Honors. A B is considered very low for an Algebra 1 Honors in FCPS, when this last year even allowed retakes to 100.

Not at all true. FCPS has open enrollment. Contrary to what you read here, they didn’t all have As. I have no idea what was recommended for DD. We didn’t see the recommendations and she signed up for whatever she wanted. She didn’t have an A and signed up for honors but did end up switching at the lady mat minute because she doesn’t enjoy math.

I know they have open enrollment. A lot of kids who shouldn’t take honors do, despite their teacher’s recommendation. I asked OP what their child’s teacher recommended and have not heard a response.

A solid B would not, imo, move on to another honors math class. Also, did you not see the child only passed, not pass advanced, on the Algebra SOL?

OP here. Teacher said she had no reason not to recommend Honors and thought DC needed to mature. But this was back when course selections was happening and at that point, DC had an A- in the class.

And look, I know you are itching to kick people out of Honors but DC is in AAP and has never struggled in Math (or other subjects) until this one grade. They have As in all other content.

I’m not itching to kick out kids from honors…I am offering another perspective. You are free to make your own decisions. But obviously there is a concern with a B in Algebra Honors.

There is zero concern with a B. A B is a good grade. And it is extremely hard to get back on the honors/AP track if you get off. I have definitely seen that happen. He’s in AAP. He’s clearly capable. Soldier on with honors. Might he get a B? sure. It’s a B…not an F.

There’s no AAP once you get to high school. I don’t know about you, but my kid doesn’t want Bs on his transcript. He wants UVA or W&M.

But UVA and W&M want honors A students.

That’s true. But ultimately it would look better to have a higher GPA. Take honors in English, history, science then. A B in honors math doesn’t look as good as an A in a regular math class. And even if you get off the honors track, you can still take calculus AB as a senior, assuming regular Geometry in 9th.

The most academically disinterested kid I know of asked his parents to move him into honors classes in HS because the regular classes were that slow and the kids that disinterested. The kid ould have had easy As and choose to move into classes with hard Cs. I would not sign my kid up for a non-honors class, I just wouldn't. The grade might be lower in the Honors class but they will at least learn something. The regular classes are not where you want to go to learn.

I think with math it is different. You need to take the class where you can get an A or A-.