Michigan wait list

[Anonymous]

A friend of my DD just got off the waitlist about a week ago. It seemed late, but she took it, despite having publicly declared acceptance for one of her safeties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A friend of my DD just got off the waitlist about a week ago. It seemed late, but she took it, despite having publicly declared acceptance for one of her safeties.

Seems like a great decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan takes around a 1,000 students a year off the waitlist. This year it could be almost 1,500.

The very large waitlist movement, not influenced by Covid, only began the past two academic years. I’m certain that it is because large number of Jewish students who apply to Michigan have been disenchanted with the protests on campus.

As an in-stater with a rising sophomore at Michigan, I completely doubt this hypothesis.

I found a pre-Covid, pre-Gaza press release that was addressing a negative rating for Michigan regarding Jewish life on campus. Might be interesting to some readers, even though it's old. Because historical values endure through troubled times.

https://publicaffairs.vpcomm.umich.edu/key-issues/university-of-michigan-welcomes-jewish-students/

Google suggests (might be off, but let's go with it) that Jewish student population at Michigan is around 14%. A waitlist of 1K is massive overkill for hypothetically making up for low yield among Jewish OOS students. What else happened to Michigan post-Covid? Apps way up, driven in part by the national football championship. And our "demographic cliff" in high school graduates is arriving sooner due to economic conditions in Michigan before the 2008-2009 recession.

I think the large waiting list is probably due to yield management due to the insane increase in Common Apps per high-achieving applicant. It probably is much harder now to predict which top in-state and OOS candidates will actually yield. Michigan probably can get some really great candidates at the last minute who want to trade up or roughly across.

Also, my guess is that they want to maintain in-state student quality. High-stats kids who want to stay in-state are getting very sweet financial packages from the lower-ranked in-state schools. So they probably need to increase yield among high-stats kids who are tempted to go out of state but are juggling Ivy WLs and aid package issues.

Also, I live in the Detroit metro. The protests last year did not impact student experience as much as non-involved OOS people might think from the news. It was a non-issue for my freshman. I won't make any more sweeping statements than that, since I realize people have varying degrees of concern and personal investment.

This is why there is a lot of talk and rumors that Michigan will announce ED for the next application cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan takes around a 1,000 students a year off the waitlist. This year it could be almost 1,500.

The very large waitlist movement, not influenced by Covid, only began the past two academic years. I’m certain that it is because large number of Jewish students who apply to Michigan have been disenchanted with the protests on campus.

As an in-stater with a rising sophomore at Michigan, I completely doubt this hypothesis.

I found a pre-Covid, pre-Gaza press release that was addressing a negative rating for Michigan regarding Jewish life on campus. Might be interesting to some readers, even though it's old. Because historical values endure through troubled times.

https://publicaffairs.vpcomm.umich.edu/key-issues/university-of-michigan-welcomes-jewish-students/

Google suggests (might be off, but let's go with it) that Jewish student population at Michigan is around 14%. A waitlist of 1K is massive overkill for hypothetically making up for low yield among Jewish OOS students. What else happened to Michigan post-Covid? Apps way up, driven in part by the national football championship. And our "demographic cliff" in high school graduates is arriving sooner due to economic conditions in Michigan before the 2008-2009 recession.

I think the large waiting list is probably due to yield management due to the insane increase in Common Apps per high-achieving applicant. It probably is much harder now to predict which top in-state and OOS candidates will actually yield. Michigan probably can get some really great candidates at the last minute who want to trade up or roughly across.

Also, my guess is that they want to maintain in-state student quality. High-stats kids who want to stay in-state are getting very sweet financial packages from the lower-ranked in-state schools. So they probably need to increase yield among high-stats kids who are tempted to go out of state but are juggling Ivy WLs and aid package issues.

Also, I live in the Detroit metro. The protests last year did not impact student experience as much as non-involved OOS people might think from the news. It was a non-issue for my freshman. I won't make any more sweeping statements than that, since I realize people have varying degrees of concern and personal investment.

This is why there is a lot of talk and rumors that Michigan will announce ED for the next application cycle.

The only place this rumor has appeared is here at DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Every moderate to high stats kid on the planet applies to Michigan EA unless they're going the liberal arts college route.

My DC attends private high school and easily 75% of the class applied to Michigan. There are about 4 kids going. One is a very top student and Michigan was his dream school from the beginning. The other 3 are at the 50-75th percentile grade-wise of the class. The kids who turned down Michigan (there ended up being almost 20) are going to higher ranked schools or equally ranked schools that they liked more or cheaper schools (many with merit aid).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan takes around a 1,000 students a year off the waitlist. This year it could be almost 1,500.

The very large waitlist movement, not influenced by Covid, only began the past two academic years. I’m certain that it is because large number of Jewish students who apply to Michigan have been disenchanted with the protests on campus.

As an in-stater with a rising sophomore at Michigan, I completely doubt this hypothesis.

I found a pre-Covid, pre-Gaza press release that was addressing a negative rating for Michigan regarding Jewish life on campus. Might be interesting to some readers, even though it's old. Because historical values endure through troubled times.

https://publicaffairs.vpcomm.umich.edu/key-issues/university-of-michigan-welcomes-jewish-students/

Google suggests (might be off, but let's go with it) that Jewish student population at Michigan is around 14%. A waitlist of 1K is massive overkill for hypothetically making up for low yield among Jewish OOS students. What else happened to Michigan post-Covid? Apps way up, driven in part by the national football championship. And our "demographic cliff" in high school graduates is arriving sooner due to economic conditions in Michigan before the 2008-2009 recession.

I think the large waiting list is probably due to yield management due to the insane increase in Common Apps per high-achieving applicant. It probably is much harder now to predict which top in-state and OOS candidates will actually yield. Michigan probably can get some really great candidates at the last minute who want to trade up or roughly across.

Also, my guess is that they want to maintain in-state student quality. High-stats kids who want to stay in-state are getting very sweet financial packages from the lower-ranked in-state schools. So they probably need to increase yield among high-stats kids who are tempted to go out of state but are juggling Ivy WLs and aid package issues.

Also, I live in the Detroit metro. The protests last year did not impact student experience as much as non-involved OOS people might think from the news. It was a non-issue for my freshman. I won't make any more sweeping statements than that, since I realize people have varying degrees of concern and personal investment.

This is why there is a lot of talk and rumors that Michigan will announce ED for the next application cycle.

The only place this rumor has appeared is here at DCUM.

I have also heard the rumor from our private college counselor that used to be an admissions officer at Michigan. They still have connections there and they were told that ED is coming to Michigan this year or the following year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of DD's classmates who had enrolled at ND decided on Michigan when she got off the waitlist.

Just goes to show how arbitrary the admissions process is. Most people would think that Notre Dame would be a tougher admit.

Yes, ND typically is a tougher admit overall, however this high school (Catholic) usually has quite a few admits to ND with Scoir showing a 33% admit rate vs. 25% for Michigan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan takes around a 1,000 students a year off the waitlist. This year it could be almost 1,500.

The very large waitlist movement, not influenced by Covid, only began the past two academic years. I’m certain that it is because large number of Jewish students who apply to Michigan have been disenchanted with the protests on campus.

As an in-stater with a rising sophomore at Michigan, I completely doubt this hypothesis.

I found a pre-Covid, pre-Gaza press release that was addressing a negative rating for Michigan regarding Jewish life on campus. Might be interesting to some readers, even though it's old. Because historical values endure through troubled times.

https://publicaffairs.vpcomm.umich.edu/key-issues/university-of-michigan-welcomes-jewish-students/

Google suggests (might be off, but let's go with it) that Jewish student population at Michigan is around 14%. A waitlist of 1K is massive overkill for hypothetically making up for low yield among Jewish OOS students. What else happened to Michigan post-Covid? Apps way up, driven in part by the national football championship. And our "demographic cliff" in high school graduates is arriving sooner due to economic conditions in Michigan before the 2008-2009 recession.

I think the large waiting list is probably due to yield management due to the insane increase in Common Apps per high-achieving applicant. It probably is much harder now to predict which top in-state and OOS candidates will actually yield. Michigan probably can get some really great candidates at the last minute who want to trade up or roughly across.

Also, my guess is that they want to maintain in-state student quality. High-stats kids who want to stay in-state are getting very sweet financial packages from the lower-ranked in-state schools. So they probably need to increase yield among high-stats kids who are tempted to go out of state but are juggling Ivy WLs and aid package issues.

Also, I live in the Detroit metro. The protests last year did not impact student experience as much as non-involved OOS people might think from the news. It was a non-issue for my freshman. I won't make any more sweeping statements than that, since I realize people have varying degrees of concern and personal investment.

This is why there is a lot of talk and rumors that Michigan will announce ED for the next application cycle.

The only place this rumor has appeared is here at DCUM.

I have also heard the rumor from our private college counselor that used to be an admissions officer at Michigan. They still have connections there and they were told that ED is coming to Michigan this year or the following year.

NP. Again, this is still being reported only on DCUM. I’d expect to see it on Reddit A2C, at least, if college counselors were hearing this rumor.

That said, if it is happening, I can’t see how they implement ED for class of 2026 at this point; Common App opens in two months. And with unexpected presidential transition chaos, I would think they might put other big changes on hold.

[Anonymous]

Someone at DC’s school just got in within the past few days. OOS, full pay, and attending. It seems like the past few years, they’ve been taking so many kids off the waitlist. OOS yield must not be great, it’s probably getting to the point only upper class OOS can afford and not even upper middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone at DC’s school just got in within the past few days. OOS, full pay, and attending. It seems like the past few years, they’ve been taking so many kids off the waitlist. OOS yield must not be great, it’s probably getting to the point only upper class OOS can afford and not even upper middle class.

While Michigan does give some aid to low income OOS, from forum posts it seems like either they give nothing to middle class OOS or the aid amounts just can't compete with similarly-ranked privates. This basically means most OOS will be full pay, which of course is not surprising for a highly selective public.

Wishing this would pan out for my full pay OOS kid.

[Anonymous]

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The only place this rumor has appeared is here at DCUM.

Someone asked about it a few days ago on r/uofm but nobody took the bait. I figured it was one of the posters from here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone at DC’s school just got in within the past few days. OOS, full pay, and attending. It seems like the past few years, they’ve been taking so many kids off the waitlist. OOS yield must not be great, it’s probably getting to the point only upper class OOS can afford and not even upper middle class.

While Michigan does give some aid to low income OOS, from forum posts it seems like either they give nothing to middle class OOS or the aid amounts just can't compete with similarly-ranked privates. This basically means most OOS will be full pay, which of course is not surprising for a highly selective public.

Wishing this would pan out for my full pay OOS kid.

If your kid wants to take a run at it, and doesn't expect a favorable letter, your kid could still try a well-crafted short e-mail to the right AO. It's a tiny risk but might attract positive attention.

I had a Ross B-school classmate who pivoted to Ross when an unexpected admit came in over the summer. She was an adult with an apartment or house and had to change all of her housing and move arrangements on very short notice. I was impressed.

People who are flexible get rewarded.

Going the other direction, someone on DCUM reported their kid got into UVA and actually was at Michigan in pre-orientation and still went through with switching. Dramatic story and might be impossible with today's academic calendars. But made financial sense due to in-state vs. OOS tuition.