Brown vs. W&M (Monroe) for humanities?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats!
Brown is a way harder admit and recognized as such. Many people have never heard of William and Mary.

Many people haven't heard of Brown.

I'd say the people who are aware of Brown are also familiar with William and Mary.

You can't be serious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid graduated from Brown 4 years ago, breezed to a 4.0 double concentration (major) in the humanities. Was a little disappointed in how many rich, mediocre students there were but had 4-year access to top scholars in their field, had funded research opportunities, and got great recs that led to a phenomenal graduate program placement

Brown is one of the few Ivy League schools where top faculty engage full time with undergrads. The clout you get from a personalized Letter of Recommendation from a leading scholar combined with the research opportunities results in a very competitive grad school application that might be hard for a student from a public institution to match

Public has nothing to do with it. Is Michigan lesser than Elon? Didn't think so. Watch your mouth next time before spouting off.

DP. Wow, someone's triggered. True, private vs public has nothing to do with it, but Brown >>> W&M. That's just a fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid graduated from Brown 4 years ago, breezed to a 4.0 double concentration (major) in the humanities. Was a little disappointed in how many rich, mediocre students there were but had 4-year access to top scholars in their field, had funded research opportunities, and got great recs that led to a phenomenal graduate program placement

Brown is one of the few Ivy League schools where top faculty engage full time with undergrads. The clout you get from a personalized Letter of Recommendation from a leading scholar combined with the research opportunities results in a very competitive grad school application that might be hard for a student from a public institution to match

Public has nothing to do with it. Is Michigan lesser than Elon? Didn't think so. Watch your mouth next time before spouting off.

Brown’s endowment per student is literally 5 times larger than William & Mary’s which is the relevant issue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid graduated from Brown 4 years ago, breezed to a 4.0 double concentration (major) in the humanities. Was a little disappointed in how many rich, mediocre students there were but had 4-year access to top scholars in their field, had funded research opportunities, and got great recs that led to a phenomenal graduate program placement

Brown is one of the few Ivy League schools where top faculty engage full time with undergrads. The clout you get from a personalized Letter of Recommendation from a leading scholar combined with the research opportunities results in a very competitive grad school application that might be hard for a student from a public institution to match

Public has nothing to do with it. Is Michigan lesser than Elon? Didn't think so. Watch your mouth next time before spouting off.

Brown’s endowment per student is literally 5 times larger than William & Mary’s which is the relevant issue

And that Brown has a 6:1 student:faculty ratio compared to 13:1
at W&M

[Anonymous]

I'm really confused. Brown is the ideal version of W&M. If you fit well into W&M, you likely fit into brown-which has many more resources, name recognition, and general "prestige."
W&M may be great...for DMVers, but brown is well known nationally.

[Anonymous]

W and M is a great school, particularly instate, but I’d send her to Brown. Grad school and job placement will be better, and Providence is a really charming city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid graduated from Brown 4 years ago, breezed to a 4.0 double concentration (major) in the humanities. Was a little disappointed in how many rich, mediocre students there were but had 4-year access to top scholars in their field, had funded research opportunities, and got great recs that led to a phenomenal graduate program placement

Brown is one of the few Ivy League schools where top faculty engage full time with undergrads. The clout you get from a personalized Letter of Recommendation from a leading scholar combined with the research opportunities results in a very competitive grad school application that might be hard for a student from a public institution to match

Public has nothing to do with it. Is Michigan lesser than Elon? Didn't think so. Watch your mouth next time before spouting off.

Brown’s endowment per student is literally 5 times larger than William & Mary’s which is the relevant issue

Brown has a significant budget deficit. William & Mary does not.

[Anonymous]

Brown is probably the better choice but cost, location, vibe, etc. could tip the scales.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:W&M just because your DC could probably get a better gpa (much better?) at W&M which is basically all that matters for law school other than LSAT and work experience. That said, if Yale Law is her dream, go to Brown because they give a bump for Ivy+ schools.

Brown has tons of grade inflation!

And, you clearly have no experience there. Sure, kids can do S /NC to push them out of the box, and retake to replace an F (which I think is about good thing frankly), but courses are rigorous and not easy A. My kids from top DC are magnet are working hard. Others getting Bs and Cs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Brown waitlist quite active this year.

Yes, have heard of multiple kids getting off waitlist, plus what I read here. Must not be good yield this year.

They admitted fewer to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M just because your DC could probably get a better gpa (much better?) at W&M which is basically all that matters for law school other than LSAT and work experience. That said, if Yale Law is her dream, go to Brown because they give a bump for Ivy+ schools.

Brown has tons of grade inflation!

And, you clearly have no experience there. Sure, kids can do S /NC to push them out of the box, and retake to replace an F (which I think is about good thing frankly), but courses are rigorous and not easy A. My kids from top DC are magnet are working hard. Others getting Bs and Cs

This is well documented.

https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2022/04/brown-grade-inflation-continues-to-soar-data-shows
https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/10/6132411/chart-grade-inflation-in-the-ivy-league-over-time
https://ripplematch.com/insights/the-top-15-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-4f4b544d

[Anonymous]

Brown. Not even a question over WM and I have one at WM and love the school.
Brown has a lot of grade inflation (average is 3.9 because A- and A both are awarded 4.0). Law schools realize it is inflated but the connections for summers for prelaw will be much better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M just because your DC could probably get a better gpa (much better?) at W&M which is basically all that matters for law school other than LSAT and work experience. That said, if Yale Law is her dream, go to Brown because they give a bump for Ivy+ schools.

Brown has tons of grade inflation!

And, you clearly have no experience there. Sure, kids can do S /NC to push them out of the box, and retake to replace an F (which I think is about good thing frankly), but courses are rigorous and not easy A. My kids from top DC are magnet are working hard. Others getting Bs and Cs

This is well documented.

https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2022/04/brown-grade-inflation-continues-to-soar-data-shows
https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/10/6132411/chart-grade-inflation-in-the-ivy-league-over-time
https://ripplematch.com/insights/the-top-15-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-4f4b544d

Didn’t read all articles, but not completely accurate. It is not true that you can’t earn a D or an F like one says. You absolutely can, the difference is that neither is passing and won’t show on external transcript so you can retake. The no +/- may help, but I think it tends to balance out in the end. My kid has lost an A by 1-2 points twice and it’s rough taking that to a 3.0. The S/NC some will take one class this way to explore with fear. Students headed to med, law, grad
don’t usually so it. My premed won’t do any. The classes are very rigorous, with open curriculum the student chose it so all are invested. Not disputing gpa’s are high, but some of the nitty gritty tends to get misrepresented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M just because your DC could probably get a better gpa (much better?) at W&M which is basically all that matters for law school other than LSAT and work experience. That said, if Yale Law is her dream, go to Brown because they give a bump for Ivy+ schools.

Brown has tons of grade inflation!

And, you clearly have no experience there. Sure, kids can do S /NC to push them out of the box, and retake to replace an F (which I think is about good thing frankly), but courses are rigorous and not easy A. My kids from top DC are magnet are working hard. Others getting Bs and Cs

This is well documented.

https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2022/04/brown-grade-inflation-continues-to-soar-data-shows
https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/10/6132411/chart-grade-inflation-in-the-ivy-league-over-time
https://ripplematch.com/insights/the-top-15-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-4f4b544d

Didn’t read all articles, but not completely accurate. It is not true that you can’t earn a D or an F like one says. You absolutely can, the difference is that neither is passing and won’t show on external transcript so you can retake. The no +/- may help, but I think it tends to balance out in the end. My kid has lost an A by 1-2 points twice and it’s rough taking that to a 3.0. The S/NC some will take one class this way to explore with fear. Students headed to med, law, grad
don’t usually so it. My premed won’t do any. The classes are very rigorous, with open curriculum the student chose it so all are invested. Not disputing gpa’s are high, but some of the nitty gritty tends to get misrepresented.

GPAs at Brown aren't just high, they are likely the highest. They have taken grade inflation to the point where there is little headroom on a 4.0 scale to go higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M just because your DC could probably get a better gpa (much better?) at W&M which is basically all that matters for law school other than LSAT and work experience. That said, if Yale Law is her dream, go to Brown because they give a bump for Ivy+ schools.

Brown has tons of grade inflation!

And, you clearly have no experience there. Sure, kids can do S /NC to push them out of the box, and retake to replace an F (which I think is about good thing frankly), but courses are rigorous and not easy A. My kids from top DC are magnet are working hard. Others getting Bs and Cs

This is well documented.

https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2022/04/brown-grade-inflation-continues-to-soar-data-shows
https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/10/6132411/chart-grade-inflation-in-the-ivy-league-over-time
https://ripplematch.com/insights/the-top-15-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-4f4b544d

Didn’t read all articles, but not completely accurate. It is not true that you can’t earn a D or an F like one says. You absolutely can, the difference is that neither is passing and won’t show on external transcript so you can retake. The no +/- may help, but I think it tends to balance out in the end. My kid has lost an A by 1-2 points twice and it’s rough taking that to a 3.0. The S/NC some will take one class this way to explore with fear. Students headed to med, law, grad
don’t usually so it. My premed won’t do any. The classes are very rigorous, with open curriculum the student chose it so all are invested. Not disputing gpa’s are high, but some of the nitty gritty tends to get misrepresented.

There was a drive in recent years to lower the GPAs at Brown. Incoming classes feel it. It is very rigorous. Lots and lots of hours in the library. This year’s class saw far more Bs and below.