Sure am enjoying another round of dumb uniformed posts by people who likely don’t even have a kid in MS.
if you want a homogeneous “peer group” you may move to the suburbs. Meanwhile I completely disagree that peer group is the only factor. |
We have another word for that. |
What's wrong with requiring 7th grade algebra of all students? You ask because you don't have a kid at BASIS. Most BASIS middle schoolers obviously aren't quite ready for 7th grade algebra. For those who are, including those ready in 5th or 6th grade, fantastic. My eldest diligently memorized her way through both algebra and geometry at BASIS to survive, only to be forced to take most of her middle school math again at Walls. Most of her middle school pals are in the same boat, retaking BASIS middle school math in high school. They haven't been able to place into higher math after taking placement tests at schools in the burbs, in privates, in DCPS. |
Sorry - didn’t realize it was required. I certainly wouldn’t have been ready for it, but my math skills still suck. And I’d probably fail now. |
The math sequence is one of those things that should be very very clearly stated to prospective parents so they understand that it's basically the same as the most accelerated test -in path at DCPS. I'm sure there are 100 students per year in DC for whom it is appropriate, and I'm also sure that there are many BASiS students for whom it is really inappropriate and unnecessary. |
Kids that completed AOPS/Beast Academy thru level 5 should be okay. But I don’t trust Basis to convey the deep conceptual approaches need to truly excel…then again, I don’t trust hardly any schools to do that in middle school. |
That is interesting, in my experience the kids who have taken algebra and geometry at DCPS middle schools do not have any difficulty continuing the sequence in high school and do not have to retake any classes. Do they treat kids coming from basis differently? |
I think there are a good number of BASIS students who leave middle school with mastery of algebra and geometry. I think the problem is that every BASIS student must take that sequence and many of them are not ready for it and don't understand it very well and then can't pass the proficiency exam. I don't necessarily think this is BASIS fault. Parents need to be very clear about their kids abilities before opting in. |
BASIS families have next to no input on how things work in the program, and few or no other acceptable public school MS choices. What's more, DCPS and DCPCS have coordinate poorly on HS curricula for 20 years now. The result is no shortage of eminently capable BASIS students repeating math they supposedly learned in MS in HS. Nobody up the chain cares, nobody fixes the problem: it's a given year in and year out. I'm a PhD mechanical engineer who took algebra in 9th grade in the days when that was normal, even for the most advanced math students in public schools. What BASIS is doing with 7th grade algebra-for-all is ridiculous, but they get away with it because they can in our struggling urban public school system. |
DP. It has to do with DCPS/ Walls not recognizing the sequence taught at BASIS. The kids coming from BASIS don't get credit at Walls for one of the classes so end up having to repeat it. There's a way to get Walls to recognize the math classes taken at BASIS by way of a credit or something through DCPS Central office. I don't remember the details. There are several other threads on this particular issue. |
It's not just the sequencing of the math taught at BASIS vis a vis Walls recognition. It's rampant math acceleration for acceleration's sake at BASIS.
Our eldest was a strong math student in a DCPS ES who also did well in 5th and 6th grade math at BASIS yet wasn't quite ready for 7th grade algebra. How were we to know that in 4th grade when we put in for the lottery, or even in the lower grades at BASIS? Our is a common BASIS story, even among the "appealing peer group," OP. |
Genuine question -- is the testing (iReady, CAPE and Fast bridge at BASIS) helpful to identify students? Like, if you kid gets 95+ percentiles, they are ready? At other schools where math acceleration is test-in, the school uses tests to identify who is ready. At BASIS, I wonder if parents need to be the ones to look at test results and make that call. |
As a kid I went to a school like basis for 8th and high school. It was like night and day having peers who were engaged and loved school. The discussions in class were great, there was no fighting or bullying. It's really not fair the disservice we're doing to other kids by leaving them behind in bad situations like there are in all the other schools. Instead of bringing Basis down, they should differentiate at all schools and bring those schools up (or at least half the classrooms). |
OK - so now folks have been warned, but Basis could easily suggest a home diagnostic so folks can assess whether they are Basis-ready, which can’t just be doing well in DCPS or Charter elementary. A good number of folks have done serious math enrichment through outside programs or resources (eg, AOPS/Beast Academy, pretty common in the burbs, frankly) and Basis could be a good option for those folks. But it seems like no one has any incentive to just be honest with folks. |
I really sympathize with the experience you’re describing — and you’re right that it’s a very common BASIS story. But I don’t think the root issue is “acceleration for acceleration’s sake.” The deeper problem is that most DC elementary schools — even the “good” ones — don’t actually prepare kids for algebraic reasoning, even when students are getting top marks. What looks like strong math performance in 4th or 5th grade (correct answers, fluency with algorithms, good test scores) often masks a lack of conceptual flexibility, number sense, or comfort with abstraction. So when schools like BASIS move into real algebra in 7th (not just pre-algebra dressed up), many kids who seemed ready suddenly hit a wall. It’s not a BASIS flaw — it’s a system-wide blind spot. And it’s incredibly hard for parents to know that in advance unless they’ve done a lot of deep math exposure at home, or used programs like Beast Academy or AoPS that build algebraic thinking from an early age. I don’t think BASIS is perfect, but I also don’t think the issue is excessive rigor. I think it’s that most schools don’t prepare families for what true math readiness really means — and BASIS is just one of the few places where that gap becomes visible. |