Have you personally known someone born as a result of r@pe or incest? Did people treat them with compassion or scorn?

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Anonymous wrote:I know someone born from brother/sister incest. I think very, very few people know. Contrary to what you (or at least I) would think, they're high IQ, Ivy educated and very attractive. Obviously a crap ton of stuff under the family hood and lots of secrets but on the surface very rich and successful and basically living the DCUM dream (not in DC). Would have never guessed.

My understanding is that the number of incestuous and closely related cousins on the nearest branches of family tree increases the likelihood of genetic issues. We all have tree collapses in our backgrounds. Marrying cousins isn’t as culturally acceptable as it once was even 100 years ago. I’ve helped people with their genealogical research and it is shocking how many Europeans back then married first and second cousins. It isn’t everybody obviously but it is way more than you’d expect.

Brother/sister is much closer, genetically and emotionally, than 1st or 2nd cousins but I hear what you're saying and have read similar. The pervasiveness of the incest across generations of a family has a much bigger impact than a one off every 100 years, which is why you see those pervasive issues crop up with groups like the FLDS or the Whitakkers of West Virginia where it's basically standard practice and less so when some second cousins who met twice and dont have a cluster pattern of this have kids. Some level of inbreeding was extremely common for centuries amongst many cultures so it seems like there is some kind of threshold before it becomes a real issue. At least genetically.

FWIW my understanding of incestuous means relations between siblings, or parent and child, or grandparent and child. All others like first and second cousins I understand to be close relations but not incestuous though plenty of scrutinize first cousin relationships more presumably with blood tests or some other ways of determining that there are too many close shared ancestors.

So, we agree.

As an aside, it was hard, particularly in remote places, to find people not related to each other. And I don’t mean Alaskan tundra region remote. So many people in rural European villages / parishes are almost all related.

Exactly, you can marry your 1st cousin legally in half the states.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone born from brother/sister incest. I think very, very few people know. Contrary to what you (or at least I) would think, they're high IQ, Ivy educated and very attractive. Obviously a crap ton of stuff under the family hood and lots of secrets but on the surface very rich and successful and basically living the DCUM dream (not in DC). Would have never guessed.

My understanding is that the number of incestuous and closely related cousins on the nearest branches of family tree increases the likelihood of genetic issues. We all have tree collapses in our backgrounds. Marrying cousins isn’t as culturally acceptable as it once was even 100 years ago. I’ve helped people with their genealogical research and it is shocking how many Europeans back then married first and second cousins. It isn’t everybody obviously but it is way more than you’d expect.

Brother/sister is much closer, genetically and emotionally, than 1st or 2nd cousins but I hear what you're saying and have read similar. The pervasiveness of the incest across generations of a family has a much bigger impact than a one off every 100 years, which is why you see those pervasive issues crop up with groups like the FLDS or the Whitakkers of West Virginia where it's basically standard practice and less so when some second cousins who met twice and dont have a cluster pattern of this have kids. Some level of inbreeding was extremely common for centuries amongst many cultures so it seems like there is some kind of threshold before it becomes a real issue. At least genetically.

FWIW my understanding of incestuous means relations between siblings, or parent and child, or grandparent and child. All others like first and second cousins I understand to be close relations but not incestuous though plenty of scrutinize first cousin relationships more presumably with blood tests or some other ways of determining that there are too many close shared ancestors.

So, we agree.

As an aside, it was hard, particularly in remote places, to find people not related to each other. And I don’t mean Alaskan tundra region remote. So many people in rural European villages / parishes are almost all related.

Yes, we totally agree, apologies if it sounded otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it all.

You are sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know someone born from brother/sister incest. I think very, very few people know. Contrary to what you (or at least I) would think, they're high IQ, Ivy educated and very attractive. Obviously a crap ton of stuff under the family hood and lots of secrets but on the surface very rich and successful and basically living the DCUM dream (not in DC). Would have never guessed.

How did you guess? Did they tell you?

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The pro life crowd is stupid for a reason. Control of women and children.

The Catholic Church's rules for marrying relatives are far stricter than any US state. You can't marry anyone who is a 4th cousin or closer.

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Yes. He was actually a terrible person and ended up being poisoned by his wife's grandmother.

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33% of rapes are perpetrated by partners or former partners. So I would say we all know or could be people born from rape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know someone born from brother/sister incest. I think very, very few people know. Contrary to what you (or at least I) would think, they're high IQ, Ivy educated and very attractive. Obviously a crap ton of stuff under the family hood and lots of secrets but on the surface very rich and successful and basically living the DCUM dream (not in DC). Would have never guessed.

How did you guess? Did they tell you?

I was told. Beyond knowing general family dysfunction, it wasn't something one could guess. Yes, I was floored.

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it all.

except, why are you asking ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know someone born from brother/sister incest. I think very, very few people know. Contrary to what you (or at least I) would think, they're high IQ, Ivy educated and very attractive. Obviously a crap ton of stuff under the family hood and lots of secrets but on the surface very rich and successful and basically living the DCUM dream (not in DC). Would have never guessed.

Real life Flowers in the Attic

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it all.

I cannot imagine that the manner of their conception is ever discussed or broadcast.

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The pro life crowd is stupid for a reason. Control of women and children.

The Catholic Church's rules for marrying relatives are far stricter than any US state. You can't marry anyone who is a 4th cousin or closer.

LOLOLOL. I laugh as a Catholic, genealogist, and history fan. You can get dispensations easily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it all.

except, why are you asking ?

Because someone recently claimed that people in these cases are never disparaged or blamed for ruining the mother’s life. I do not subscribe to that position but I have seen people eviscerated for existing on some fora. It is unfair but it happens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The pro life crowd is stupid for a reason. Control of women and children.

The Catholic Church's rules for marrying relatives are far stricter than any US state. You can't marry anyone who is a 4th cousin or closer.

LOLOLOL. I laugh as a Catholic, genealogist, and history fan. You can get dispensations easily.

Adding, you may be confusing “ within the fourth degree of the collateral line (closer than first cousins” with fourth cousins. I very much doubt many people know their third cousins let alone fourth cousins. Also, at some point, the idea of cousin erodes into neighbor stranger. Otherwise, we couldn’t marry anyone because we are all related at some point.

[Anonymous]

Yes, my mom - conceived from r@pe in the late '50s My grandmother told me a couple years before she passed. Before, I'd assumed my mom was the result of a short-term relationship between my grandmother and grandfather, as they'd never married. After my grandmother told me though, it made sense why she rarely if ever mentioned him.

Her mother (my great grandmother) ended up raising my mom, and my grandma got a fresh start in England as a nurse (we're Caribbean). Understandably, my mom and grandma were not super close emotionally, but they loved each other and my grandma never mistreated her when they were together.

My Mom also found out later in life, but she hasn't expressed to me how she felt about it. She did say she felt her physical needs were cared for growing up, but not her emotional needs. Although I love her of course, I am not particularly close to my mom, in part due to emotional immaturity. I suspect it's because of these generational circumstances. Shrug, I've worked through most of it in therapy.