"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" going so quietly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is beautiful. Dems denying that MS-13 is a problem. This is a political party that will surely enjoy a surge of popularity soon!

Well we have MAGAs denying Trump lies or that his willful defiance of court rulings or the constitution is a problem. Slippery slope buddy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anything, they were murdering other gang members, not passersby.

Try teaching gang members and then come back and reply to me.

Initiation is brutal. Turf fights don't stay in the neighborhoods.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

We all agree maga is the problem but deporting them to El Salvador will spread the problem.

😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

“Tren de Agua” maybe has a 100 members in the US. ”MS-13” has about 10,000 members in the US. MS-13 was started in the 1980 to protect El Salvador immigrants from other gangs. The vast majority of its members are now US citizens because they were born here. 10,000 is about 1% of all the gangs in the US. Though the Federal agencies do not have good gang data. The Republicans have defunded most of the strategies and operations to monitor these kinds of things. Interesting thing with MA-13 is when the US deported gang members in 1990’s MS-13 spread and took over El Salvador.

None of the 238 people kidnapped and sent to El Salvador have been charged or appeared in US courts. There is no proof that any of these people did anything, are gang members or committed any crime. Nothing has been presented in US courts. So we do not know if they are even illegals.

we know at least one person sent to El Salvador illegally is not in a gang. There are probably more.

Do we know at least one person in a gang?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

Sending people to the prison is not a morally or legally acceptable way to handle non citizens who are in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a LA neighborhood (in the valley) claimed by ms13. Jeff can check my location if you think I’m a sock puppet. MS13 regularly tags my apartment building and there are regular shootings and violence a few streets away. Please don’t tell me to move, I paid $350 for my condo and can't buy anything for that price in LA, not in a gang area. I literally don’t care st all about anyone being deported who is part of ms13, suspected part of ms13, or in this country illegally and falsely being accused of ms13. I’d rather they get rid of people and make a few mistakes, than have to live like this. MS13 is very scary.

MS 13 is very scary. I am very sorry you are living with this.

You know who isn't scary? Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The mistake is is not that they think he is a gang member. They 100% know he isn't. The mistake is that they are too dumb to even due their job well enough to notice the withholding from removal. Just like they didn't know Mahmoud Kahlil's status.

You know who is also not even a tiny bit scary? The totally legal Venezuelans who were awaiting asylum hearings and have never been accused of anything in their lives. Nobody in the Trump administration thinks they are gang members. They are just doing a publicity stunt and thought we wouldn't care.

+1 do the Ms-13 attend immigration hearings regularly like many of the guys they are easy picking and detaining? I’m guessing ICE is in no hurry to go to your neighborhood. Much easier to break down windows on sweet guys with lawyers on the way to their immigration appointments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

Deterrence. Nice. As long as it’s other people and not you and yours.
You all are some sick sheltered people that believe this stink isn’t going to eventually get to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

Deterrence. Nice. As long as it’s other people and not you and yours.
You all are some sick sheltered people that believe this stink isn’t going to eventually get to you.

Auschwitz was just “deterrence” to the Nazis. What else would you expect from MAGA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

It’s not working. But by that logic we should listen to Trump and send American citizens to Cecot also. Can we start with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anything, they were murdering other gang members, not passersby.

Try teaching gang members and then come back and reply to me.

Initiation is brutal. Turf fights don't stay in the neighborhoods.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

We all agree maga is the problem but deporting them to El Salvador will spread the problem.

Stop deflecting; it's highlighting your ignorance.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia was apparently sent here - illegally - to escape Barrio 18, which has a presence in the US. It's in Maryland for that matter. You don't escape a gang w/o first joining a rival for protection. MS 13 is a rival. This gang has had a large presence in Maryland, especially in PG County and parts of Montgomery that border PG. I know; I taught them. They stay under the radar unless pushed. Once pushed, turf wars creep into the schools.

Apparently, his brother, now legal, was here first. If that's the case, why didn't Kilmar go through legal measures with the help of his supposedly legal brother? Furthermore, how convenient was it to marry his girlfriend, also a citizen, while behind bars in 2019? And now they are questioning his affiliation with MS-13 - again, Barrio 18's rival.

Give me a break. Gang members will rat out each other if they bargain.

For the record, this is typical protocol - https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ms-13-forced-teenage-girl-into-prostitution-in-montgomery-county-officials-say
I was teaching at the time the story broke.
2019

Maybe people need to 1) ask more questions and 2) rely on others with experience in this topic.

I'm using the site below, which definitely has a liberal slant. But I question the entire story, as there are far too many holes.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/abrego-garcia-and-ms-13--what-do-we-know
Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know? Roger Parloff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anything, they were murdering other gang members, not passersby.

Try teaching gang members and then come back and reply to me.

Initiation is brutal. Turf fights don't stay in the neighborhoods.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

We all agree maga is the problem but deporting them to El Salvador will spread the problem.

Stop deflecting; it's highlighting your ignorance.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia was apparently sent here - illegally - to escape Barrio 18, which has a presence in the US. It's in Maryland for that matter. You don't escape a gang w/o first joining a rival for protection. MS 13 is a rival. This gang has had a large presence in Maryland, especially in PG County and parts of Montgomery that border PG. I know; I taught them. They stay under the radar unless pushed. Once pushed, turf wars creep into the schools.

Apparently, his brother, now legal, was here first. If that's the case, why didn't Kilmar go through legal measures with the help of his supposedly legal brother? Furthermore, how convenient was it to marry his girlfriend, also a citizen, while behind bars in 2019? And now they are questioning his affiliation with MS-13 - again, Barrio 18's rival.

Give me a break. Gang members will rat out each other if they bargain.

For the record, this is typical protocol - https://www.fox5dc.com/news/ms-13-forced-teenage-girl-into-prostitution-in-montgomery-county-officials-say
I was teaching at the time the story broke.
2019

Maybe people need to 1) ask more questions and 2) rely on others with experience in this topic.

I'm using the site below, which definitely has a liberal slant. But I question the entire story, as there are far too many holes.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/abrego-garcia-and-ms-13--what-do-we-know
Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know? Roger Parloff

Just right wing lies to make innocent people disappear. If any of these people were guilty they would have had to go to court. Instead people like you spread lies and kidnap people off the street. Stand up and be proud about what you are doing instead of hiding behind lies.

What you people do in the name of the US is worst vs any gang. Your gang of cowards should be deported. You are the biggest threat to this country and the Constitution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

Sending people to the prison is not a morally or legally acceptable way to handle non citizens who are in the US.

Yes it is. Illegal invaders do not have the same rights as citizens. With jail on the table instead of a warm welcome from the Biden administration, fewer will come. Our government officials get paid to help citizens, not illegals. Dems don’t agree, which is why they are out of power

[Anonymous]

I think ICE agents are mostly cowards who are going for men and women with families as easy pickings.

If they were picking up actual gang members there would be actual resistance with guns and we would be hearing about it.

[Anonymous]

It seems a lot like immigrant torture theater right now, done for the conservative base, not actual picking up of gang members who might fight back with weapons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's the same as with school shooters and "terrorists".

Law enforcement doesn't go after dangerous people who can fight back. They go after patsies, chuds, and innocent people.

Are you saying we aren’t going after these dangerous gangs

Or we are going after the gangs because law enforcement thinks they are innocent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do people make the leap from “ms-13 is scary” to green lighting sending people to a prison where they’ll be tortured based solely on their country of origin? Deporting people here unlawfully is understandable. Sending them to be tortured in a prison is not understandable.

The latest guy from Dale City that Blondi is claiming is a top MS 13 leader is 24 and wandering in someone’s garage. If MS 13 is such a notorious criminal enterprise, why are poor kids running it? Other leaders that have been arrested are 50+ years old.

It’s called deterrence, and it’s working.

Sending people to the prison is not a morally or legally acceptable way to handle non citizens who are in the US.

Yes it is. Illegal invaders do not have the same rights as citizens. With jail on the table instead of a warm welcome from the Biden administration, fewer will come. Our government officials get paid to help citizens, not illegals. Dems don’t agree, which is why they are out of power

How about we deter rapists but not letting one be President.

Funny how the only crimes you care about are crimes not against living people.