"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" going so quietly?

[Anonymous]

"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

[Anonymous]

Yes they only shoot civilians

[Anonymous]

If anything, they were murdering other gang members, not passersby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

1) there are not thousands of them in the US to begin with
2) Trump is not sending thousands of anyone, anywhere
3) the people he is sending are not even necessarily the "bad guys"

Maybe there are not really a bunch of bad guys who are in the US illegally to begin with and the whole thing was a sham to keep people like you scared and angry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

“Tren de Agua” maybe has a 100 members in the US. ”MS-13” has about 10,000 members in the US. MS-13 was started in the 1980 to protect El Salvador immigrants from other gangs. The vast majority of its members are now US citizens because they were born here. 10,000 is about 1% of all the gangs in the US. Though the Federal agencies do not have good gang data. The Republicans have defunded most of the strategies and operations to monitor these kinds of things. Interesting thing with MA-13 is when the US deported gang members in 1990’s MS-13 spread and took over El Salvador.

None of the 238 people kidnapped and sent to El Salvador have been charged or appeared in US courts. There is no proof that any of these people did anything, are gang members or committed any crime. Nothing has been presented in US courts. So we do not know if they are even illegals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

“Tren de Agua” maybe has a 100 members in the US. ”MS-13” has about 10,000 members in the US. MS-13 was started in the 1980 to protect El Salvador immigrants from other gangs. The vast majority of its members are now US citizens because they were born here. 10,000 is about 1% of all the gangs in the US. Though the Federal agencies do not have good gang data. The Republicans have defunded most of the strategies and operations to monitor these kinds of things. Interesting thing with MA-13 is when the US deported gang members in 1990’s MS-13 spread and took over El Salvador.

None of the 238 people kidnapped and sent to El Salvador have been charged or appeared in US courts. There is no proof that any of these people did anything, are gang members or committed any crime. Nothing has been presented in US courts. So we do not know if they are even illegals.

we know at least one person sent to El Salvador illegally is not in a gang. There are probably more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes they only shoot civilians

Correct. And mostly CA-immigrant civilians at that, not “Anglos”.

Shooting at ICE is a no-win situation for them.

[Anonymous]

The worst gangs in the IS are the LA sheriffs dept gangs. But I still don’t want to see them sent overseas and esp not without due process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

“Tren de Agua” maybe has a 100 members in the US. ”MS-13” has about 10,000 members in the US. MS-13 was started in the 1980 to protect El Salvador immigrants from other gangs. The vast majority of its members are now US citizens because they were born here. 10,000 is about 1% of all the gangs in the US. Though the Federal agencies do not have good gang data. The Republicans have defunded most of the strategies and operations to monitor these kinds of things. Interesting thing with MA-13 is when the US deported gang members in 1990’s MS-13 spread and took over El Salvador.

None of the 238 people kidnapped and sent to El Salvador have been charged or appeared in US courts. There is no proof that any of these people did anything, are gang members or committed any crime. Nothing has been presented in US courts. So we do not know if they are even illegals.

Thank you for coming with facts. I asked Grok about this and this was the conclusion:

"No definitive, up-to-date count exists for either gang. Tren de Aragua’s presence appears smaller and less organized than MS-13’s, likely numbering in the low hundreds at most, while MS-13 might still hover around thousands but lacks a recent benchmark. Both are active but overstated as existential threats. Data from DHS, ICE, or FBI remains the closest to credible, but even these sources hedge with estimates or focus on arrests rather than totals. Always dig past headlines—gang stats are notoriously slippery."

Bottom line: the Trump administration is going to continue deporting Hispanics that it claims are members of either of these gangs WITH NO EVIDENCE or due process. As soon as anyone protests, they will respond, "Why do you want to keep dangerous criminals in this country?" and they will add colorful details like "who raped a child or an old woman" etc. to inflame MAGA and retain their support. It's a very slipper slope for all of our civil rights. And, to top it all, there is absolutely no indication so far that they have removed "the worst of the worst" in any large numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If anything, they were murdering other gang members, not passersby.

Try teaching gang members and then come back and reply to me.

Initiation is brutal. Turf fights don't stay in the neighborhoods.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Tren de Agua" and "MS-13" are supposedly armed to teeth and took over our cities. They murder civilians for sport.

Trump is sending thousands of them an El Salvador death camp.

Why are none of these "terrorists" and "hardened criminals" shooting back at ICE?

Did I misunderstand the theat we faced?

1) there are not thousands of them in the US to begin with
2) Trump is not sending thousands of anyone, anywhere
3) the people he is sending are not even necessarily the "bad guys"

Maybe there are not really a bunch of bad guys who are in the US illegally to begin with and the whole thing was a sham to keep people like you scared and angry?

You missed the snark/ sarcasm in the post youre replying to. NP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes they only shoot civilians

Correct. And mostly CA-immigrant civilians at that, not “Anglos”.

Shooting at ICE is a no-win situation for them.

Is moving into an El Salvador concentration camp a win?

[Anonymous]

It's the same as with school shooters and "terrorists".

Law enforcement doesn't go after dangerous people who can fight back. They go after patsies, chuds, and innocent people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anything, they were murdering other gang members, not passersby.

Try teaching gang members and then come back and reply to me.

Initiation is brutal. Turf fights don't stay in the neighborhoods.

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

We all agree maga is the problem but deporting them to El Salvador will spread the problem.

[Anonymous]

I live in a LA neighborhood (in the valley) claimed by ms13. Jeff can check my location if you think I’m a sock puppet. MS13 regularly tags my apartment building and there are regular shootings and violence a few streets away. Please don’t tell me to move, I paid $350 for my condo and can't buy anything for that price in LA, not in a gang area. I literally don’t care st all about anyone being deported who is part of ms13, suspected part of ms13, or in this country illegally and falsely being accused of ms13. I’d rather they get rid of people and make a few mistakes, than have to live like this. MS13 is very scary.