MLS Next Late Developer/ Bio-banding Formula

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Anonymous wrote:DS was placed on an MLS Next team for the upcoming year. I was surprised by the number of kids at tryouts that were from the year above but said they were trying out for his year. None of them seemed to be noticeably smaller.

We had this happen at ASA both kids were taller/larger than my son who was the same year as them (and didn’t play down).

ASA definitely has a couple of kids that look like they should be playing up, wonder if they were the bio banded kids

Applies to every single club and team in every league

Sure, maybe it depends on the age group, but WV, Armour and SYC too. I dont see an oversized biobanded kid on BSC at my DS age group but I’ve heard that was a complaint for a couple of the older age groups.

I know Achilles uses biobanded kids but I can’t say anyone is oversized on Achilles, they’ve always skewed small.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS was placed on an MLS Next team for the upcoming year. I was surprised by the number of kids at tryouts that were from the year above but said they were trying out for his year. None of them seemed to be noticeably smaller.

We had this happen at ASA both kids were taller/larger than my son who was the same year as them (and didn’t play down).

ASA definitely has a couple of kids that look like they should be playing up, wonder if they were the bio banded kids

Applies to every single club and team in every league

Sure, maybe it depends on the age group, but WV, Armour and SYC too. I dont see an oversized biobanded kid on BSC at my DS age group but I’ve heard that was a complaint for a couple of the older age groups.

I know Achilles uses biobanded kids but I can’t say anyone is oversized on Achilles, they’ve always skewed small.

Bethesda Soccer Club uses biobanded kids a lot

[Anonymous]

Until what age group can a player bioband?

[Anonymous]

Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

A 13 year old could be physically a sophomore in high school or a fifth grader - depending on their growth spurt. If that kid has advanced skills, he should be placed with the kids who challenge him the most - physically and technically - just as a bigger kid with adequate skills should play up a year or two. You may not realize there are many coaches in this country who could not recognize skill if it hit them in the face. So, if you have a small kid who takes that second team offer, he could be heads and shoulders above his peers skill wise, but the coach continues to play the bigger kids. So the kid is completely screwed and eventually out of the game. Not every small kid should bioband, but it is necessary for some.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Dear Ignorant,
Biobanding is applied in all the true football countries.
Several current top ranked professional and international players from both club and world cup champions were biobanded.

You clearly don't know nor understand the concept.

As soon as you mentioned "good enough to play own age" it was a glaring sign of your lack of understanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Soccer is a team sport with 11 players and strong emphasis on passing quality at the highest levels. A late developer can be extremely impactful playing with and against kids of similar size and skill level. They also will look completely lost while playing on a lower level team with poor passing skills, because they never receive the ball cleanly. Particularly obvious if the kid is less of a dribbler and more a playmaker (vision, timing, creativity, passing). It's not a coincidence that the biggest biobanding success story on global level is Kevin De Bruyne.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Soccer is a team sport with 11 players and strong emphasis on passing quality at the highest levels. A late developer can be extremely impactful playing with and against kids of similar size and skill level. They also will look completely lost while playing on a lower level team with poor passing skills, because they never receive the ball cleanly. Particularly obvious if the kid is less of a dribbler and more a playmaker (vision, timing, creativity, passing). It's not a coincidence that the biggest biobanding success story on global level is Kevin De Bruyne.

What a bunch of horsesh!t. Biobanding in the P2P model is cheating and a way to retain players who want to be coddled. De Bruyne would have be the same player even if your Biobanding tale is true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Soccer is a team sport with 11 players and strong emphasis on passing quality at the highest levels. A late developer can be extremely impactful playing with and against kids of similar size and skill level. They also will look completely lost while playing on a lower level team with poor passing skills, because they never receive the ball cleanly. Particularly obvious if the kid is less of a dribbler and more a playmaker (vision, timing, creativity, passing). It's not a coincidence that the biggest biobanding success story on global level is Kevin De Bruyne.

What a bunch of horsesh!t. Biobanding in the P2P model is cheating and a way to retain players who want to be coddled. De Bruyne would have be the same player even if your Biobanding tale is true.

So biobanding is legitimate in the countries that actually know how to develop young players and have successful top tier senior professional players

But in the US it's coddling hahaha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play lol at thir own age.

Soccer is a team sport with 11 players and strong emphasis on passing quality at the highest levels. A late developer can be extremely impactful playing with and against kids of similar size and skill level. They also will look completely lost while playing on a lower level team with poor passing skills, because they never receive the ball cleanly. Particularly obvious if the kid is less of a dribbler and more a playmaker (vision, timing, creativity, passing). It's not a coincidence that the biggest biobanding success story on global level is Kevin De Bruyne.

What a bunch of horsesh!t. Biobanding in the P2P model is cheating and a way to retain players who want to be coddled. De Bruyne would have be the same player even if your Biobanding tale is true.

So biobanding is legitimate in the countries that actually know how to develop young players and have successful top tier senior professional players

But in the US it's coddling hahaha

Yes, US is pay to play which is very different, so it is coddling and a player retention tool disguised as development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Dear Ignorant,
Biobanding is applied in all the true football countries.
Several current top ranked professional and international players from both club and world cup champions were biobanded.

You clearly don't know nor understand the concept.

As soon as you mentioned "good enough to play own age" it was a glaring sign of your lack of understanding.

You are misleading here. Those examples are from true elite professional clubs academy team.

Here, all those mediocre P2P MLSN clubs use biobanding to let mediocre players to play down as they have no way to play in their own age group. Those biobanding players technical skills are not superior to worth taking a spot from the younger group.

To put it bluntly, those kids and their parents are cheaters. They take advantage of the biobanding rule to play down to steal the game time from 12 - 15 months younger players. I am glad ECNL does not have this shit and my Dec. kid will not get bothered by a 15 months older cheaters to come down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Dear Ignorant,
Biobanding is applied in all the true football countries.
Several current top ranked professional and international players from both club and world cup champions were biobanded.

You clearly don't know nor understand the concept.

As soon as you mentioned "good enough to play own age" it was a glaring sign of your lack of understanding.

You are misleading here. Those examples are from true elite professional clubs academy team.

Here, all those mediocre P2P MLSN clubs use biobanding to let mediocre players to play down as they have no way to play in their own age group. Those biobanding players technical skills are not superior to worth taking a spot from the younger group.

To put it bluntly, those kids and their parents are cheaters. They take advantage of the biobanding rule to play down to steal the game time from 12 - 15 months younger players. I am glad ECNL does not have this shit and my Dec. kid will not get bothered by a 15 months older cheaters to come down.

MLS Next parent here, and I wholeheartedly agree. In theory it's a great rule. In practice, it's shite. (Thanks, Bethesda)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Dear Ignorant,
Biobanding is applied in all the true football countries.
Several current top ranked professional and international players from both club and world cup champions were biobanded.

You clearly don't know nor understand the concept.

As soon as you mentioned "good enough to play own age" it was a glaring sign of your lack of understanding.

You are misleading here. Those examples are from true elite professional clubs academy team.

Here, all those mediocre P2P MLSN clubs use biobanding to let mediocre players to play down as they have no way to play in their own age group. Those biobanding players technical skills are not superior to worth taking a spot from the younger group.

To put it bluntly, those kids and their parents are cheaters. They take advantage of the biobanding rule to play down to steal the game time from 12 - 15 months younger players. I am glad ECNL does not have this shit and my Dec. kid will not get bothered by a 15 months older cheaters to come down.

How does a parent place their kid on a lower age team without the league, club and coach being fully involved?
Why are coaches and clubs taking a biobanded player that has less or mediocre skills over more skillful players if the aim is to cheat?

Biobanding is not about calendar age, it's biological age.
Because you don't understand relative age effect and biobanding, you think a kid born January 3rd 2014 and one born December 30th 2014 are the same age.
While fact is biologically the December kid is closer in age to a January 2015 kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Dear Ignorant,
Biobanding is applied in all the true football countries.
Several current top ranked professional and international players from both club and world cup champions were biobanded.

You clearly don't know nor understand the concept.

As soon as you mentioned "good enough to play own age" it was a glaring sign of your lack of understanding.

You are misleading here. Those examples are from true elite professional clubs academy team.

Here, all those mediocre P2P MLSN clubs use biobanding to let mediocre players to play down as they have no way to play in their own age group. Those biobanding players technical skills are not superior to worth taking a spot from the younger group.

To put it bluntly, those kids and their parents are cheaters. They take advantage of the biobanding rule to play down to steal the game time from 12 - 15 months younger players. I am glad ECNL does not have this shit and my Dec. kid will not get bothered by a 15 months older cheaters to come down.

How does a parent place their kid on a lower age team without the league, club and coach being fully involved?
Why are coaches and clubs taking a biobanded player that has less or mediocre skills over more skillful players if the aim is to cheat?

Biobanding is not about calendar age, it's biological age.
Because you don't understand relative age effect and biobanding, you think a kid born January 3rd 2014 and one born December 30th 2014 are the same age.
While fact is biologically the December kid is closer in age to a January 2015 kid.

I would take it one step further and say biological age is more of a factor across the board than DOB. It's very possible to have a January 2015 kid who is more like a January 2016 kid than a May 2015 kid in terms of growth development. If you plant five apple trees and four start bearing fruit in six summers but the fith one doesn't, do you just chop it down or wait for it to catch up and see if it actually bears the best fruit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is such a disservice to smaller kids. Lots of kids never grow to the size doctors guess (or parents want) so all you are doing is ensuring your kid will never be able to keep up by playing them down. If they can't cut it at their age in MLSN go play in another league. We won't even get into the social aspect of making the clear statement my kid isn't good enough to play at thir own age.

Dear Ignorant,
Biobanding is applied in all the true football countries.
Several current top ranked professional and international players from both club and world cup champions were biobanded.

You clearly don't know nor understand the concept.

As soon as you mentioned "good enough to play own age" it was a glaring sign of your lack of understanding.

You are misleading here. Those examples are from true elite professional clubs academy team.

Here, all those mediocre P2P MLSN clubs use biobanding to let mediocre players to play down as they have no way to play in their own age group. Those biobanding players technical skills are not superior to worth taking a spot from the younger group.

To put it bluntly, those kids and their parents are cheaters. They take advantage of the biobanding rule to play down to steal the game time from 12 - 15 months younger players. I am glad ECNL does not have this shit and my Dec. kid will not get bothered by a 15 months older cheaters to come down.

How does a parent place their kid on a lower age team without the league, club and coach being fully involved?
Why are coaches and clubs taking a biobanded player that has less or mediocre skills over more skillful players if the aim is to cheat?

Biobanding is not about calendar age, it's biological age.
Because you don't understand relative age effect and biobanding, you think a kid born January 3rd 2014 and one born December 30th 2014 are the same age.
While fact is biologically the December kid is closer in age to a January 2015 kid.

I just tell the fact. There is no strict rule. They only measure your height. Coach is very pushy on biobanding. As long as you are not so tall and want to play down to steal game time from the younger group, you can go down.
This gives the cheaters a way to stay in top league and rob the game time from the younger. Our biobander is short, but he obviously has a much stronger muscle than my 20 months younger son. We just switched to a top ECNL club, at least, that biobanding cheater will not be able to do the same dirty trick in ECNL club.