Are the compounds still available or not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think at least some of the compounders will try to find a way around the restriction.

But if they don’t - can you imagine the Oscars next year? They are going to look like a reunion special for The Whale.

There is no way around the restriction. Some compounders made noise for awhile about adding vitamins to make it "different" but they knew full well that wouldn't fly legally, they just thought they might gain a few months of sales making that argument. They've all dropped it.

Not sure why on earth you think Hollywood stars would suddenly gain weight; I'm sure they have access to branded medication.

All those actresses who went from 120 lb to 100 lbs over the last few years are taking legitimate medication prescribed for diabetes from a legit doctor? All the dudes who went from 175 to 155? Seems unlikely.

No, they are taking legitimate medications prescribed by physicians who have license to do so (but not necessarily morals) for an off label purpose.

And… Your information is out of date as well. No one is taking Ozempic for an off label purpose at this point. They are taking Wegovy. Which is the same active ingredient, marketed and approved for weight loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?

So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.

The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.

I understand the gist of what’s happening. I’m asking about a rule or reg that was issued or expired or what’s happening legally and when?

The “rule or reg” is patent law.

But more specifically, the law allows for compounding when there is a shortage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.

No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.

Not necessarily true. That argument is arguably bs.

But yeah -- patent law is the heart of the issue here and compounders continuing to manufacture semaglutide while Wegovy is on patent is what would be illegal.

Let’s hear your proposed alternative that doesn’t involve people working for free.

As for the patents here, this is not an evergreening situation where the branded companies have come up with elaborate ways to extend term through their portfolio. All the original compound patents are the barrier. That’s life in the big city.

And no, it’s definitely not criminal for people to simply live the human experience and figure out how to live in a world of endless energy availability with intense food drive.

You don’t understand much about how things work in the R&D space do you? But you are trying desperately to sound like you do. Heck, I think you actually think you do. You don’t.

All you have is questions because you don't actually have any answers. How many drug acquisition deals have you run? Generic competition analysis? What do you know about the intersection of FDA approval and patent law? Do you know which types of drugs are more typically developed by big pharma themselves as compared to those that are developed outside big pharma and acquired to be further developed and taken to market?

See, I can do the same thing, but the difference is I am not suggesting there is an alternative without actually bothering to even outline something that does not involve people working for free.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think at least some of the compounders will try to find a way around the restriction.

But if they don’t - can you imagine the Oscars next year? They are going to look like a reunion special for The Whale.

There is no way around the restriction. Some compounders made noise for awhile about adding vitamins to make it "different" but they knew full well that wouldn't fly legally, they just thought they might gain a few months of sales making that argument. They've all dropped it.

Not sure why on earth you think Hollywood stars would suddenly gain weight; I'm sure they have access to branded medication.

All those actresses who went from 120 lb to 100 lbs over the last few years are taking legitimate medication prescribed for diabetes from a legit doctor? All the dudes who went from 175 to 155? Seems unlikely.

No, they are taking legitimate medications prescribed by physicians who have license to do so (but not necessarily morals) for an off label purpose.

And… Your information is out of date as well. No one is taking Ozempic for an off label purpose at this point. They are taking Wegovy. Which is the same active ingredient, marketed and approved for weight loss.

No one mentioned Ozempix and Wegovy. Since no starlet has a BMI of 30 or even 27, it’s an off label use. It is not approved for weight loss of 10-20 on a normal weight person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?

So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.

The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.

I understand the gist of what’s happening. I’m asking about a rule or reg that was issued or expired or what’s happening legally and when?

The “rule or reg” is patent law.

But more specifically, the law allows for compounding when there is a shortage.

No, it’s actually not patent law, it’s FDA law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think at least some of the compounders will try to find a way around the restriction.

But if they don’t - can you imagine the Oscars next year? They are going to look like a reunion special for The Whale.

There is no way around the restriction. Some compounders made noise for awhile about adding vitamins to make it "different" but they knew full well that wouldn't fly legally, they just thought they might gain a few months of sales making that argument. They've all dropped it.

Not sure why on earth you think Hollywood stars would suddenly gain weight; I'm sure they have access to branded medication.

All those actresses who went from 120 lb to 100 lbs over the last few years are taking legitimate medication prescribed for diabetes from a legit doctor? All the dudes who went from 175 to 155? Seems unlikely.

I think your information is a little out of date.

They are taking weight loss medication. They are not taking diabetes medication. The medication for diabetes is Ozempic, and the medication for weight loss, which has the same active ingredient, is Wegovy. And doctors are prescribing it. To people in Hollywood, and people outside of it.

I am constantly surprised at how ignorant people are here, yet they post and correct. Hint: unless these actress are 3 feet tall, they don’t meet the indication.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.

No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.

Not necessarily true. That argument is arguably bs.

But yeah -- patent law is the heart of the issue here and compounders continuing to manufacture semaglutide while Wegovy is on patent is what would be illegal.

Let’s hear your proposed alternative that doesn’t involve people working for free.

As for the patents here, this is not an evergreening situation where the branded companies have come up with elaborate ways to extend term through their portfolio. All the original compound patents are the barrier. That’s life in the big city.

And no, it’s definitely not criminal for people to simply live the human experience and figure out how to live in a world of endless energy availability with intense food drive.

You don’t understand much about how things work in the R&D space do you? But you are trying desperately to sound like you do. Heck, I think you actually think you do. You don’t.

DP. So what’s the better system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?

So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.

The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.

I understand the gist of what’s happening. I’m asking about a rule or reg that was issued or expired or what’s happening legally and when?

The “rule or reg” is patent law.

But more specifically, the law allows for compounding when there is a shortage.

No, it’s actually not patent law, it’s FDA law.

But there was an exception so why or how and when is that over ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?

So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.

The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.

I understand the gist of what’s happening. I’m asking about a rule or reg that was issued or expired or what’s happening legally and when?

The “rule or reg” is patent law.

But more specifically, the law allows for compounding when there is a shortage.

No, it’s actually not patent law, it’s FDA law.

But there was an exception so why or how and when is that over ?

I posted the link for you on page 2. Did you read it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dont want to start on a weight loss drug only to have it yanked away.

You can buy semaglutide or tirzapide now without a prescription. Got to this place in Montgomery Mall. They have another location in Columbia MD.

https://www.vydration.com/tirzepatide

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is still available. I just ordered more tirz (6 month supply). I use less than the prescription because I am losing while microdosing, so it should last me a year or more.

It seems microdosing is the new Hollywood trend. Can you please share how to microdose tirz? Frequency and quantity?

"Forget Psychedelics. Everyone’s Microdosing Ozempic Now"

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/microdosing-ozempic-weight-loss-health-gains-1236126989/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.

No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.

Says the Eli Lily, MAGA hat wearing sales rep. 👩‍💼

[Anonymous]

Many of us have stockpiled the compound. I have plenty to last me into next year and then we will see where we are. You can always pay for the medication direct from Eli Lily too. Just have your PCP or Callondoc prescribe it directly. You don't need a monthly telehealth subscription to get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.

No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.

Says the Eli Lily, MAGA hat wearing sales rep. 👩‍💼

So far, there are no signs that the compounded meds are going anywhere. But the pharma flacks keep trying to make fetch happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.

No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.

Says the Eli Lily, MAGA hat wearing sales rep. 👩‍💼

So far, there are no signs that the compounded meds are going anywhere. But the pharma flacks keep trying to make fetch happen.

Depending on the type of facility, they still have a month or two to stop selling. Not sure what signs there would be now besides increased volume of sales (stockpiling).