Is $TSLA a buy here?

[Anonymous]

Starlink is a buy here, SpaceX is a buy here, but not TSLA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have been holding it since 2018 when it was $15 a share, and have added more along the way and plan on doing the same for the next 10 years.
It is a disruptive company with great products and execution and that's all I care about. It is as simple as that.

What is disruptive about TSLA?

Everything BYD does is better.

[Anonymous]

OP what makes you think Republicans will buy a $50k Tesla instead of a $60k Dodge Ram?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have been making a fortune shorting tsla over the last few weeks, and I believe it has further to fall.

There is only one reason to buy: because you buy into the Musk hype.

Let me give you some reasons not to buy: the PE ratio is insane. Now combine that PE ratio with falling sales and margins as competition from Chinese and European companies intensifies. The battery technology is not at the forefront and the quality control is poor. The build quality is abysmal. They are way behind Waymo on autonomous taxis, and their FSD is behind Mercedes. Robots? They have no technology and no market.

And without getting political, I will just say that no liberal will buy one now. So let’s draw a Venn diagram of the potential market. Draw a circle for environmentally conscious people. Draw another circle for people who like fascists. Now, that tiny part where the two intersect? That is your market. Good luck with that.

Agreed. Their only lead is in EV’s where others are catching up and the CEO has alienated their main customer base. All the “future” stuff they are behind competitors.

The PE ratio is for a super high growth company. Tesla increased their revenue 1% last year and a decline is certainly already baked in for this year based on early sale figures.

[Anonymous]

What market is TSLA projected to perform better in relative to today? I don’t see CA’s pension increasing their holdings after selling half recently, nor Europe being suddenly receptive to TSLA. What market has more ceiling left for the company?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been holding it since 2018 when it was $15 a share, and have added more along the way and plan on doing the same for the next 10 years.
It is a disruptive company with great products and execution and that's all I care about. It is as simple as that.

What is disruptive about TSLA?

Everything BYD does is better.

Pretty pointless to discuss this. You gotta look at the DNA of the company. Great companies find their ways to increase value for their shareholders. Everything else is just noise.

[Anonymous]

Tesla in the number one brand in the world. It sold more than any other brand.

[Anonymous]

Starlink is a buy here, SpaceX is a buy here, but not TSLA.

And that is only because nobody can tell if you are using Starlink and SpaceX is the only rocket out there (that really functions at that price---he is winning on price because of reusable boosters). Tesla is a good car and the only reason it is declining is political (not because the car isn't worth it). In fact the car, especially the 3 and the Y are probably the best value cars on the EV market right now.

That doesn't mean politics won't run him out of business. It has happened before so I don't discount anything. That said, I own Tesla stock and don't plan to sell it. There is upside potential once we get past the mess we are in now. You have to invest for the long term. It's not going out of business anytime soon. They might have to lower the price on the cars, but that's okay. People will buy them.

[Anonymous]

I think it’s a great idea!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s also important to consider the demographics of EV car buyers. An EV is great if you are a city driver going from garage to garage. If you live in Texas where your routine drives may be out of range for an EV, you wouldn’t risk it.

You know they can do 300 miles in one trip right? You think people are driving 300 miles as a "routine drive"?

[Anonymous]

No. As a stock it's overvalued. It's a car company and valuation reflects a tech company but it's earnings and operations do not align for this.

Honestly, I'd guess a structural realignment of this stock. It isn't valued correctly. In plain English...this stock needs to go down another 25-30 percent if not more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope. It’s only going to go down down down until the company is in real trouble. Unless Musk sells the company, it’s over.

+1 it’s not done falling and won’t be until he leaves.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think musk is going back to Tesla anyway. They are just afraid to say he’s gone because the stock is still so inflated.

[Anonymous]

No. As a stock it's overvalued. It's a car company and valuation reflects a tech company but it's earnings and operations do not align for this.

Honestly, I'd guess a structural realignment of this stock. It isn't valued correctly. In plain English...this stock needs to go down another 25-30 percent if not more.

It's a battery company.

[Anonymous]

I offloaded my Tesla stock a few weeks ago and made a profit.

I would be interested in buying again, on three conditions:

1. Not right now. The volatility is too high, and I have purposefully liquidated a portion of my portfolio, because I anticipate a lot of trading anxiety during the first year of Trump 2.0.

2. It will depend on Musk's mental health evolution. Even though he's not involved in daily Tesla operations, he still retains significant control of his companies and can intervene at any point. And the guy is not well. His father became progressively more angry and paranoid as he aged, and Elon is going the same way. His autism, paranoia and drug use are definitely factors here. I don't hate Elon, because my husband and son are on the spectrum and I feel compassion for all autistic people. But I don't trust his judgment as he becomes progressively less and less tethered to reality.

3. Tesla fundamentals need to improve. There is cutthroat competition from BYD and he'll have to navigate tariffs and Chinese government impediments to his factories there.