Discrepancy between report card versus DIBELS (Kindergarten)?

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd actually be pretty concerned about difficulties with automaticity and letter naming even in K. These problems can be early signs of dyslexia or ADHD (both inattentive and hyperactive). I'd monitor carefully and be quick to get OG style tutoring support and a psycho-educational evaluation in support of an IEP or 504 if necessary. Reading problems are easier to remediate when kids are younger. Ask me how I know.

They CAN signal dyslexia or ADHD but they can also signal the student needing to practice fluency. At my school, we have kindergarteners score zero on every subtest on DIBELS at the beginning of the year. They've never taken it before and some have no letter/sound knowledge. The students who are still scoring far below grade level at the end of kindergarten are typically students who struggle for the rest of ES. The time between now and the end of the year is when my students show the most progress in letter naming, nonsense word, whole word, and phonemic segmentation fluency. All of these subtests are easily practiced at home.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

Teacher here. WE don’t choose the curriculum. The “experts” do. Look where that’s gotten us. I taught phonics with my door closed for years. We never used LC but ARC which is the same look at the picture crap. I refused to use it except when someone observed me.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

Teacher here. WE don’t choose the curriculum. The “experts” do. Look where that’s gotten us. I taught phonics with my door closed for years. We never used LC but ARC which is the same look at the picture crap. I refused to use it except when someone observed me.

Thank you for the work you do. Unfortunately, many teachers really liked and followed those curricula, and ignored parents who said their kids weren't learning to read.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

Teacher here. WE don’t choose the curriculum. The “experts” do. Look where that’s gotten us. I taught phonics with my door closed for years. We never used LC but ARC which is the same look at the picture crap. I refused to use it except when someone observed me.

Thank you for the work you do. Unfortunately, many teachers really liked and followed those curricula, and ignored parents who said their kids weren't learning to read.

Maybe they ignored parents because they can’t just teach what/how they want. For years, I taught phonics and my students got high test scores. Admin assumed it was the balanced literacy crap curriculum we were supposed to be using. If I was ever “found out” I wouldn’t care if they fired me. I’m lucky to be financially independent. Most teachers aren’t so they do what they are told. People seem to think we have much more autonomy than we actually do.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

Teacher here. WE don’t choose the curriculum. The “experts” do. Look where that’s gotten us. I taught phonics with my door closed for years. We never used LC but ARC which is the same look at the picture crap. I refused to use it except when someone observed me.

Thank you for the work you do. Unfortunately, many teachers really liked and followed those curricula, and ignored parents who said their kids weren't learning to read.

Maybe they ignored parents because they can’t just teach what/how they want. For years, I taught phonics and my students got high test scores. Admin assumed it was the balanced literacy crap curriculum we were supposed to be using. If I was ever “found out” I wouldn’t care if they fired me. I’m lucky to be financially independent. Most teachers aren’t so they do what they are told. People seem to think we have much more autonomy than we actually do.

And teachers seem to like reflexively blaming parents for everything that goes wrong in the classroom. Kids aren't learning to read? Must be all those immigrants that "don't care" about their kids' education.

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Anonymous wrote:DIEBLS is administered (usually) by a teacher unfamiliar to your child and in an unfamiliar setting. It is timed and the scripted directions can be confusing. No shock young children don’t perform as well.

Your child’s teacher seems them every day and is grading them based on what they consistently see.

I would chalk this up to a bad “test” day and nothing more.

At our school the teacher does it in the classroom.

Same.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

What is false about the statement. You don’t need to be a certified teacher to teach a kid to read except for a small group of kids who have a reading disability that requires specialized instruction. Parents are kids first teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

What is false about the statement. You don’t need to be a certified teacher to teach a kid to read except for a small group of kids who have a reading disability that requires specialized instruction. Parents are kids first teachers.

GMAFB. The reason wealthy families don't have the same issues with reading is THEY HIRE TUTORS. They use their money to make up for the deficiencies of the school system.

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Anonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting to talk to the teacher. This discrepancy between test and report cards is one of parent’s biggest complaints. The problem stems for how each report things. Dibels score is based on where they believe kids should be at certain points in the year with specific phonics/reading skills. Whereas the report card “on level” takes a more holistic approach. So a kid needing some support in K and even this particular quarter is not necessarily below grade level. Especially considering there are kids who are way below that. So that makes things more confusing for parents.

Keep practicing the letters and reading this quarter. They should have mastered them all by then. Note that the b vs d and p vs q is very normal. Leapfrogs Letter Factory video everyday or every other day is really helpful.

Doesn't MCPS have terrible literacy rates? Not sure being "on level" is particularly reassuring in this context.

Compare to state or national average rate? No, not at all.

Parents who want their kids to learn to read don't care about state or national averages (which are at their lowest levels ever).

Kids of parents who want their kids to learn to read, know how to read and are well above the literacy rates.

No. Most kids need explicit instruction in reading (some can figure it out on their own). Some parents that aren't educators may have success in teaching themselves to teach their kids to read. But if this were an appropriate model for reading instruction, then we wouldn't need teachers!

You don’t need to be a teacher to teach your kids how to read. Teaching a kid how to read is the easiest thing a parent can do for their kids.

False. Literacy rates are at all time lows because schools stopped teaching kids how to read. Teaching phonics was too boring for the teachers. The science of reading is now being mandated because of parent advocacy. It's absolutely disgusting to try to blame low literacy rates on parents when they are the ones who have been telling teachers for years that their kids weren't learning to read, and the teachers were dismissing them and fawning over Lucy Calkins.

What is false about the statement. You don’t need to be a certified teacher to teach a kid to read except for a small group of kids who have a reading disability that requires specialized instruction. Parents are kids first teachers.

GMAFB. The reason wealthy families don't have the same issues with reading is THEY HIRE TUTORS. They use their money to make up for the deficiencies of the school system.

Yes but what about all the middle class kids who parents teach their kids to read without tutors. As folks keep saying, teaching kids to read does not require some Herculean effort or specialized skill for most kids.