How are Catholics reconciling Pope's disagreement with govt policies?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give a second thought to his thoughts on US politics. The Pope has a huge wall and security. Vatican City does not grant permanent residency to anyone. Citizenship is typically temporary and linked to certain employment.

What are you prattling on about?

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Anonymous wrote:I as well as most of the Catholics I know find ourselves somewhat politically homeless in that both of the major parties have elements of their platforms that are not compatible with Catholic moral principles. Who we vote for in each election is a judgment call based on which issues we think are most pressing and who handles them well. For example, I don't care much if the mayor of my city is prolife because abortion isn't regulated on a city level, but I do care if the state legislators are prolife; similarly I don't care if county council is pro or anti Medicaid but I do want the president to support it. Usually for president we have a choice between a prolife guy with problematic economic views and a pro choice guy with better economic views. We are allowed to vote for either of these options depending on who we think will be better for the country overall as long as we aren't voting for them because of their problematic views. Personally, I don't think Trump is really prolife, and certainly not prolife enough to balance out all his other problematic views, so I have never voted for him.

Catholics actually don't vote as Republican as a lot of other Christian denominations. They did skew towards Trump over Harris but generally we are pretty evenly split and more of them voted for Biden than Trump in 2020. It's honestly the evangelicals who are super pro Trump and they don't care what the Pope says at all. 😂

This seems like the dilemma of people who consider themselves more as members of the Catholic Church than citizens of the USA.

I thought we disposed of the “Catholic=Unamerican” libel when Jack Kennedy was President.

You might tell that to the Catholic Bishops and the MAGA Catholics who want Rome to force their views on abortion onto the rest of us. If you are Catholic and are against abortion, do not have one. Very simple.

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

Please explain the logic or lack thereof on why the Catholic Bishops do not actively oppose the death penalty in the same way that they oppose abortion. No non-Catholic gives a sh-t about the Catholic doctrine on the differences, as those are religious views (to which Catholics are entitled to hold). The real difference is abortion issues effects the mother and the fetus and is a personal decision. The death penalty is a state decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Except for conservative parishes, most Catholics are democrats so are fine with it. Remember Catholics are Irish, Italian and Latin American immigrants. We drink, have premarital sex and help the poor. There has been an uptick of conservatism in Catholicism but that’s a newer trend.

The problems facing us today are the direct result of the evangelical community combining forces with the uptick in conservatism or MAGA Catholicism.

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There are Benedict/John Paul 2 Catholicos (conservative) and Francis Catholics (more liberal). Pope Francis is not afraid to alienate the rich and ungodly.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about how Catholics are thinking about the current position of the Pope, which is decidedly against the Trump administration's immigration policies.

If you're Catholic and opposed legal abortion because the Catholic church was against it (although the government obviously supported it), are you now opposing these immigration policies for the same reason? And if not, how can you reconcile that with being Catholic?

The irony is that the current Pope shares things in common with Trump as far as legal interpretation. Vatican has very strict laws about who can or cannot enter Vatican City. It doesn't allow anyone to take refuge there without permission and enforces criminal penalties.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. I've been to the Vatican, and calling it a city is a stretch. It's more like a small campus. Still, that has nothing to do with how Catholics are reconciling an explicit statement by the Pope that is in opposition to a government policy espoused largely by those claiming to be Christian.

“Vatican City” is the official name of the sovereign city-state of the Holy See. Surely you know that…

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give a second thought to his thoughts on US politics. The Pope has a huge wall and security. Vatican City does not grant permanent residency to anyone. Citizenship is typically temporary and linked to certain employment.

You're an idiot and don't seem to know that Vatican City is not a real city. The Vatican walls were built in the 800's to keep out pirates and such. They do not surround the entire Vatican, which is not a city but a couple of large buildings and a Plaza. It's always open, but you have to wait in a huge line to get in. I'm not sure where you think a person would have a "residence" there. There is no housing except the Pope, a few clergy, a few guards, and a handful of other employees.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about how Catholics are thinking about the current position of the Pope, which is decidedly against the Trump administration's immigration policies.

If you're Catholic and opposed legal abortion because the Catholic church was against it (although the government obviously supported it), are you now opposing these immigration policies for the same reason? And if not, how can you reconcile that with being Catholic?

The irony is that the current Pope shares things in common with Trump as far as legal interpretation. Vatican has very strict laws about who can or cannot enter Vatican City. It doesn't allow anyone to take refuge there without permission and enforces criminal penalties.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. I've been to the Vatican, and calling it a city is a stretch. It's more like a small campus. Still, that has nothing to do with how Catholics are reconciling an explicit statement by the Pope that is in opposition to a government policy espoused largely by those claiming to be Christian.

“Vatican City” is the official name of the sovereign city-state of the Holy See. Surely you know that…

PP is a low-information voter who thinks Vatican City is like New York City.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about how Catholics are thinking about the current position of the Pope, which is decidedly against the Trump administration's immigration policies.

If you're Catholic and opposed legal abortion because the Catholic church was against it (although the government obviously supported it), are you now opposing these immigration policies for the same reason? And if not, how can you reconcile that with being Catholic?

The irony is that the current Pope shares things in common with Trump as far as legal interpretation. Vatican has very strict laws about who can or cannot enter Vatican City. It doesn't allow anyone to take refuge there without permission and enforces criminal penalties.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. I've been to the Vatican, and calling it a city is a stretch. It's more like a small campus. Still, that has nothing to do with how Catholics are reconciling an explicit statement by the Pope that is in opposition to a government policy espoused largely by those claiming to be Christian.

“Vatican City” is the official name of the sovereign city-state of the Holy See. Surely you know that…

The city state is a couple of buildings with a big square and a fountain. It's not an actual city or a state in the sense you think. I guess you haven't seen it, or you'd know. It's legal status is not important, as it isn't a place people can actually live.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about how Catholics are thinking about the current position of the Pope, which is decidedly against the Trump administration's immigration policies.

If you're Catholic and opposed legal abortion because the Catholic church was against it (although the government obviously supported it), are you now opposing these immigration policies for the same reason? And if not, how can you reconcile that with being Catholic?

The irony is that the current Pope shares things in common with Trump as far as legal interpretation. Vatican has very strict laws about who can or cannot enter Vatican City. It doesn't allow anyone to take refuge there without permission and enforces criminal penalties.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. I've been to the Vatican, and calling it a city is a stretch. It's more like a small campus. Still, that has nothing to do with how Catholics are reconciling an explicit statement by the Pope that is in opposition to a government policy espoused largely by those claiming to be Christian.

“Vatican City” is the official name of the sovereign city-state of the Holy See. Surely you know that…

The city state is a couple of buildings with a big square and a fountain. It's not an actual city or a state in the sense you think. I guess you haven't seen it, or you'd know. It's legal status is not important, as it isn't a place people can actually live.

You’re talking to two different PPs above. I pointed out it was a city-state because it didn’t seem clear that you understood that. I’m not arguing people live there, I don’t think the other PP is either. But it seems clear you went there once as a tourist and consider yourself an expert. Just stop. You don’t understand anything about Catholicism.

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

The Pope has no authority over US policy at all.

--Catholic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

Please explain the logic or lack thereof on why the Catholic Bishops do not actively oppose the death penalty in the same way that they oppose abortion. No non-Catholic gives a sh-t about the Catholic doctrine on the differences, as those are religious views (to which Catholics are entitled to hold). The real difference is abortion issues effects the mother and the fetus and is a personal decision. The death penalty is a state decision.

Catholics are against the death penalty.

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The Vatican City poster is trying to parrot Trump's lame attempt to 'gotcha' the Pope in a tweet response to the Pope's comment about building bridges, not walls. Trump said, "you have a wall" (like the toddler he is).

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

Please explain the logic or lack thereof on why the Catholic Bishops do not actively oppose the death penalty in the same way that they oppose abortion. No non-Catholic gives a sh-t about the Catholic doctrine on the differences, as those are religious views (to which Catholics are entitled to hold). The real difference is abortion issues effects the mother and the fetus and is a personal decision. The death penalty is a state decision.

Catholics are against the death penalty.

+1 The Catholic Church is firm on its stance against the death penalty. Honestly, why do people who don’t have the first idea about Catholicism keep posting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This question misunderstands the nature of the Catholic faith. The Pope is only considered infallible in very specific matters of church doctrine. His random thoughts about US politics are not that and hold no extra weight.

—I’m not Catholic, but I do have a basic education

This is the correct answer.

Yup. And abortion is moral doctrine, the Pope can't change the teaching on that even if he wanted. Immigration is considered prudential policy and his musings on it have no authority over policymakers.

The rules on abortion were made up by a pope when he was not infallible so actually no.

While he may not have no authority overthe immigration policy, the policy is immoral in the eyes of Jesus.

Your interpretation holds no more weight than the Pope’s, I am sorry to inform you.

Thank you for confirming that a pope has no standing so humanae vitae has no standing.