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This was one of the most nuanced series in terms of storytelling I’ve seen in a while.

I loved how every side can be extreme. The conventional scientific based side was put in a bad light too and the fact is you still need to be rich to afford the latest and greatest therapy which may not work and no one can guarantee that they will work.

I also liked how they showed belle had experienced legitimate trauma in childhood that would have garnered sympathy but not the kind that makes you a sexy influencer.

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The fact that there are people on this thread questioning whether Belle did anything wrong says a lot about people’s values. She LIED! Her entire marketing and branding was based on a LIE! How do you not see that as morally reprehensible?

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Anonymous wrote:Milla really believed in what she was doing though. Milla believed she was helping people. She was tragically wrong, but she had good intentions. Belle is knowingly lying and manipulating people.

Really believed in what she was doing despite no evidence to support those beliefs? No curiosity about whether they're valid?

That's garbage

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Anonymous wrote:Milla really believed in what she was doing though. Milla believed she was helping people. She was tragically wrong, but she had good intentions. Belle is knowingly lying and manipulating people.

Really believed in what she was doing despite no evidence to support those beliefs? No curiosity about whether they're valid?

That's garbage

DO. Eventually what milla did was wrong, but I don’t see it that way from the start. She really did not want get her arm amputated and googled some things. Of course that’s not scientific research but the point of the film is that there’s a lot of believers out there who make these claims seem valid. Her mom went along with it and for a while it did seem to work. The tumors in her arm subsided and for years she did not seem to have any symptoms. She was diagnosed at 22 and she died at 29. It seemed like the symptoms came back at 27. So it seemed like she had a five years of health.

It is pretty terrible that she was still doing speaking engagements when she had symptoms coming back 5 years in and of course, very terrible that she let her mom go to the holistic center. But the first few years at least she seemed to be coming from a place where she really thought a holistic lifestyle would work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Milla really believed in what she was doing though. Milla believed she was helping people. She was tragically wrong, but she had good intentions. Belle is knowingly lying and manipulating people.

Really believed in what she was doing despite no evidence to support those beliefs? No curiosity about whether they're valid?

That's garbage

DO. Eventually what milla did was wrong, but I don’t see it that way from the start. She really did not want get her arm amputated and googled some things. Of course that’s not scientific research but the point of the film is that there’s a lot of believers out there who make these claims seem valid. Her mom went along with it and for a while it did seem to work. The tumors in her arm subsided and for years she did not seem to have any symptoms. She was diagnosed at 22 and she died at 29. It seemed like the symptoms came back at 27. So it seemed like she had a five years of health.

It is pretty terrible that she was still doing speaking engagements when she had symptoms coming back 5 years in and of course, very terrible that she let her mom go to the holistic center. But the first few years at least she seemed to be coming from a place where she really thought a holistic lifestyle would work.

The tumors on her arm went away because she had an experimental treatment where they did high doses of localized chemo in her arm. When her symptoms came back some years later she got into the holistic lifestyle, and she spent the rest of the series hiding it with long sleeves. It was unclear to me how much time had passed from her getting into juicing to dying.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Milla really believed in what she was doing though. Milla believed she was helping people. She was tragically wrong, but she had good intentions. Belle is knowingly lying and manipulating people.

Really believed in what she was doing despite no evidence to support those beliefs? No curiosity about whether they're valid?

That's garbage

DO. Eventually what milla did was wrong, but I don’t see it that way from the start. She really did not want get her arm amputated and googled some things. Of course that’s not scientific research but the point of the film is that there’s a lot of believers out there who make these claims seem valid. Her mom went along with it and for a while it did seem to work. The tumors in her arm subsided and for years she did not seem to have any symptoms. She was diagnosed at 22 and she died at 29. It seemed like the symptoms came back at 27. So it seemed like she had a five years of health.

It is pretty terrible that she was still doing speaking engagements when she had symptoms coming back 5 years in and of course, very terrible that she let her mom go to the holistic center. But the first few years at least she seemed to be coming from a place where she really thought a holistic lifestyle would work.

The tumors on her arm went away because she had an experimental treatment where they did high doses of localized chemo in her arm. When her symptoms came back some years later she got into the holistic lifestyle, and she spent the rest of the series hiding it with long sleeves. It was unclear to me how much time had passed from her getting into juicing to dying.

It was 2 years or so. The timeline jumped back and forth a bit but that’s what I gathered.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Milla really believed in what she was doing though. Milla believed she was helping people. She was tragically wrong, but she had good intentions. Belle is knowingly lying and manipulating people.

Really believed in what she was doing despite no evidence to support those beliefs? No curiosity about whether they're valid?

That's garbage

DO. Eventually what milla did was wrong, but I don’t see it that way from the start. She really did not want get her arm amputated and googled some things. Of course that’s not scientific research but the point of the film is that there’s a lot of believers out there who make these claims seem valid. Her mom went along with it and for a while it did seem to work. The tumors in her arm subsided and for years she did not seem to have any symptoms. She was diagnosed at 22 and she died at 29. It seemed like the symptoms came back at 27. So it seemed like she had a five years of health.

It is pretty terrible that she was still doing speaking engagements when she had symptoms coming back 5 years in and of course, very terrible that she let her mom go to the holistic center. But the first few years at least she seemed to be coming from a place where she really thought a holistic lifestyle would work.

The tumors on her arm went away because she had an experimental treatment where they did high doses of localized chemo in her arm. When her symptoms came back some years later she got into the holistic lifestyle, and she spent the rest of the series hiding it with long sleeves. It was unclear to me how much time had passed from her getting into juicing to dying.

It was 2 years or so. The timeline jumped back and forth a bit but that’s what I gathered.

Sorry, I meant 2 years from return of symptoms to death. She seemed to have 5 years or so of good health.

[Anonymous]

How on earth can someone do FIVE (5) enemas each day and A. Not have a sore ass*ole, and B. have time to do anything else in their day?

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Anonymous wrote:It's great. Australia is a small pond so fish size is indexed lol. But she was very high profile there.

The small pond seems to produce some pretty big fish …

How an Australian drama school helped shape talent flooding Hollywood

They may have perfected American accents, but some of the biggest names in Hollywood are Australian.

Many of the Australian actors, directors, writers and crew now working in Hollywood started learning their craft at NIDA, the National Institute of Dramatic Arts.

John Clark, NIDA's director for 35 years, set a goal from the start: unlocking a distinct, Australian mode of acting that combined the theater of London with Hollywood gloss, but still allowed Australia's national characteristics to shine through.

They are playing characters with such conviction and with such truth," Clark, now 92, said. "Without what Australians would call decoration."

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/australia-acting-talent-comes-to-hollywood-60-minutes/


A surprising number of Hollywood stars are Australian: how the country pumps out acting talent
60-minutes
November 17, 2024

For the record: it's iron ore. But it's easy to make the case that Australia's leading export is… acting talent. How has an island of only 27 million people minted Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman, Cate Blanchett, Mel Gibson, Margot Robbie, Chris Hemsworth… we can keep going here… Sarah Snook, Russell Crowe, Heath Ledger, Naomi Watts… to say nothing of so many Oscar-winning directors, designers and crew?

Wasn't talking about actors etc. Was talking about celebrity in Australia. How many Minogues can you name?

I’m not following your logic - a bunch of big Aussie names are listed above - like most of the well known celebrities from down under cited above, Kylie has not lived on Oz for years - she left soon after she made it big on Neighbors (left for London in 1990 but returned in 2022). Maybe you mean something else though?

To me, the proportion of Australian celebrities who have succeeded in US and UK is similar to Olympic medals - much more than you would expect for the size of the population. Not sure why but many of them appear to have graduated from Australia’s National Institute of Dramatic Art.

Apart from Kylie Minogue:
Hugh Jackman
Nicole Kidman
Chris Hemsworth
Cate Blanchett
Russel Crowe
Guy Pierce
Heath Ledger
Toni Collette
Margo Robbie
Liam Hemsworth
Rachel Griffiths
Olivia Newton John
Eric Bana
Mel Gibson
Geoffrey Rush
Sam Worthington
Isla Fisher
Naomi Watts
Jacki Weaver
Hugh Weaving
Portia de Rossi
Peter Finch
Errol Flynn
Judy Davis

But you are right that Oz is a relatively small pond - Oz population (27 million)is less than a tenth of US (335 million)

Yes indeed. The number of Australians who reach world prominence is astonishing. You forgot Anthony DiPaglia.

My attempt was to point out that people can be incredibly popular but only in Australia.

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Dannii Minogue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's great. Australia is a small pond so fish size is indexed lol. But she was very high profile there.

The small pond seems to produce some pretty big fish …

How an Australian drama school helped shape talent flooding Hollywood

They may have perfected American accents, but some of the biggest names in Hollywood are Australian.

Many of the Australian actors, directors, writers and crew now working in Hollywood started learning their craft at NIDA, the National Institute of Dramatic Arts.

John Clark, NIDA's director for 35 years, set a goal from the start: unlocking a distinct, Australian mode of acting that combined the theater of London with Hollywood gloss, but still allowed Australia's national characteristics to shine through.

They are playing characters with such conviction and with such truth," Clark, now 92, said. "Without what Australians would call decoration."

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/australia-acting-talent-comes-to-hollywood-60-minutes/


A surprising number of Hollywood stars are Australian: how the country pumps out acting talent
60-minutes
November 17, 2024

For the record: it's iron ore. But it's easy to make the case that Australia's leading export is… acting talent. How has an island of only 27 million people minted Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman, Cate Blanchett, Mel Gibson, Margot Robbie, Chris Hemsworth… we can keep going here… Sarah Snook, Russell Crowe, Heath Ledger, Naomi Watts… to say nothing of so many Oscar-winning directors, designers and crew?

Wasn't talking about actors etc. Was talking about celebrity in Australia. How many Minogues can you name?

I’m not following your logic - a bunch of big Aussie names are listed above - like most of the well known celebrities from down under cited above, Kylie has not lived on Oz for years - she left soon after she made it big on Neighbors (left for London in 1990 but returned in 2022). Maybe you mean something else though?

To me, the proportion of Australian celebrities who have succeeded in US and UK is similar to Olympic medals - much more than you would expect for the size of the population. Not sure why but many of them appear to have graduated from Australia’s National Institute of Dramatic Art.

Apart from Kylie Minogue:
Hugh Jackman
Nicole Kidman
Chris Hemsworth
Cate Blanchett
Russel Crowe
Guy Pierce
Heath Ledger
Toni Collette
Margo Robbie
Liam Hemsworth
Rachel Griffiths
Olivia Newton John
Eric Bana
Mel Gibson
Geoffrey Rush
Sam Worthington
Isla Fisher
Naomi Watts
Jacki Weaver
Hugh Weaving
Portia de Rossi
Peter Finch
Errol Flynn
Judy Davis

But you are right that Oz is a relatively small pond - Oz population (27 million)is less than a tenth of US (335 million)

Yes indeed. The number of Australians who reach world prominence is astonishing. You forgot Anthony DiPaglia.

My attempt was to point out that people can be incredibly popular but only in Australia.

Ok - gotcha - yeah for sure.

And Australian humor is different to both British and American humor. The actors is shows like Kath and Kim and Upper Middle Bogan are probably way more popular in Aoz than elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Watched this with my 17 year old daughter this weekend, we loved it!

Agree, Kaitlyn Deever is great, as is the woman who played Milla.

Clive was super creepy and I love that it was Shivs ex boyfriend from Succession

[Anonymous]

In the middle of watching this series. I just kicked breast cancer and this is hard to watch but also I can deeply relate to some of the characters. I like that they are treating the women with dignity regardless of their reaction to having cancer.

One of the more difficult things about interacting with other women with cancer is that some of them are really pushing with the garbage alternatives treatments. Or, you're watching someone choose alternative treatments and know they are probably going to die. I'm haunted by this woman on a Facebook group with stage 3 cancer, asking for financial help so she could get these weird baking soda treatments in Arizona. She had pics of her young daughter and was a single mom. People are so disgusting, taking advantage of people with cancer, taking their money and sending them to their deaths.

[Anonymous]

I'm really enjoying this, thanks for the recommendation OP!

[Anonymous]

Clive is f’ed in the head too.