Trump ceasing federal aid for college

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


+1

Everything government subsidies rises in price much faster than what it doesn't.


What about current students that need this aid?
Anonymous
This is what Orban did in Hungary - take money from colleges and set up his own, to indoctrinate the students.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/world/euro...rban-university.html
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:He can’t do this. This is like his 15th impeachable act in a week.


He can do whatever he wants. That is what the country voted for. He could literally take you out if you don't like it and that would be that.


No, he cannot. This is America. And everyone needs to stop accepting that he’ll
always break the law and just carry on with their lives. Impeach him again and again and keep suing him in court.

CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES


I live in a blue state and my representatives vote against him. WHAT DOES CALLING MY REPS DO??
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:They want people to be dumb and ignorant. That is why the "coastal elites" and "teachers" and "radical professors" are always vilified by the right, even though the ones doing the vilifying are doing it at the behest of a guy who grew up in NY, went to an ivy league school and craps in a golden toilet.


Trump LOVES to talk about his Wharton degree. He is personally very impressed by Ivy League credentials. His VP went to Yale for grad school. In fact, many of his nominees went to Ivy League schools (or adjacent) for undergrad or grad school. Why would he hire so many people tainted by leftist ideology?

*Bessent (Yale)
*Burgum (Stanford)
*Hegseth (Princeton, Harvard)
*RFK Jr. (Harvard)
* Bhattacharya (Stanford)
*Oz (Harvard, UPenn)
*Phelan (Harvard)
*Sauer (Harvard, Duke)
*Stefanik (Harvard)

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/governmen...t-picks-went-college



Same song, different tune.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/02/bide...se-ivy-league-479298


Are you willfully obtuse or just never studied logic? Biden didn’t gut college programs. Harris didn’t talk about the evils of colleges like Vance did in an interview this week. You know, billionaires are a bigger threat to your livelihood than coastal elites.*

*The felon is a coastal elite.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.


Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.


A particular pattern I see in the reaction to all the Trump policies and EOs by the Democrats on this forum is the belief that somehow things can't possibly ever change.

Right now higher education is facing serious problems, both with the enrollment cliff and the cost of higher education. It's not all due to just one or two factors but multiple factors converging to create the current situation. Among those factors was the arms race among higher education institutions with fancier facilities instead of more classes and bloated bureaucracy (far more bureaucrats/admin hired than faculty, for example), which added to the cost of tuition in ways that didn't meaningful benefit students. At the same time departments became flooded with courses like transqueer politics in Latin America. Fluffy degrees that meant little and accomplished little. By contrast your typical university model outside the US is much more bare bones, direct and also much cheaper.

There's a lot of hunger out in the American population for change and Trump is delivering change and we'll see how it all plays out. Unfortunately for the Democrats, they were not sensitive to the hunger for change on the economy, on the border, on higher education, on DEI policies, all which became too ideologically important to the party and many of its followers that they just did not see a problem when most Americans, in fact, did see a problem. And Trump spoke to them and won.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.


Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.


Every financial entity has a possible cost reduction.

Most schools don’t need football, especially the schools where it doesn’t make money.

Multiple rec centers? Nope.

Climbing walls? Nope.

Community college is inexpensive. Just build some dorms around them and charge the associated cost and you’ll have your model.

I appreciate your post. It wasn’t low effort. But my opinion is colleges aren’t operating a bare bones, minimum staffing model. There is bloat, and it’s costing consumers money.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Yup. Prepare for a widening income gap. Shocker when people elected a demented, vengeful billionaire who pandered to an electorate to do his dangerous bidding for the country instead of learning math. This is exactly why plantation owners didn’t want slaves getting an education.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He can’t do this. This is like his 15th impeachable act in a week.


He can do whatever he wants. That is what the country voted for. He could literally take you out if you don't like it and that would be that.


Um, he said he was not running on Project 2025. So how is this what the country voted for?


Well he did say Haitians were eating cats and dogs, so I would say that was your first clue that he lies out his @ss. If you don’t know he’s a liar, you’re not paying attention. Vance admitted he lied to get eyeballs on issues.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


+1

Everything government subsidies rises in price much faster than what it doesn't.


What about current students that need this aid?


Guess you're gonna have to go work and earn the money to pay the bill. What a novel idea!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.


Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.


Every financial entity has a possible cost reduction.

Most schools don’t need football, especially the schools where it doesn’t make money.

Multiple rec centers? Nope.

Climbing walls? Nope.

Community college is inexpensive. Just build some dorms around them and charge the associated cost and you’ll have your model.

I appreciate your post. It wasn’t low effort. But my opinion is colleges aren’t operating a bare bones, minimum staffing model. There is bloat, and it’s costing consumers money.



The salaries also. Pull the faculty out of lab work and back in to the class room to teach. No more paying for a professor and getting a TA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He can’t do this. This is like his 15th impeachable act in a week.


He can do whatever he wants. That is what the country voted for. He could literally take you out if you don't like it and that would be that.


Um, he said he was not running on Project 2025. So how is this what the country voted for?

There is nothing too big or too small that he won't lie about if it gets him what he wants. He got enough of the right people to vote for him. Done.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is what Orban did in Hungary - take money from colleges and set up his own, to indoctrinate the students.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/world/euro...rban-university.html


Orban is the felon’s role model.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/08/politics/trump-orban-mar-a-lago
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.


Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.


Every financial entity has a possible cost reduction.

Most schools don’t need football, especially the schools where it doesn’t make money.

Multiple rec centers? Nope.

Climbing walls? Nope.

Community college is inexpensive. Just build some dorms around them and charge the associated cost and you’ll have your model.

I appreciate your post. It wasn’t low effort. But my opinion is colleges aren’t operating a bare bones, minimum staffing model. There is bloat, and it’s costing consumers money.



DP.

He is cutting audio to community colleges as well.

Positive change is possible, and I agree that Democrats ( leadership) were not interested in actually changing anything. But Trump is not the answer. I hope that when his term is over, his voters can recognize that and take another shot with someone else.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.


Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.


Every financial entity has a possible cost reduction.

Most schools don’t need football, especially the schools where it doesn’t make money.

Multiple rec centers? Nope.

Climbing walls? Nope.

Community college is inexpensive. Just build some dorms around them and charge the associated cost and you’ll have your model.

I appreciate your post. It wasn’t low effort. But my opinion is colleges aren’t operating a bare bones, minimum staffing model. There is bloat, and it’s costing consumers money.



DP.

He is cutting audio to community colleges as well.

Positive change is possible, and I agree that Democrats ( leadership) were not interested in actually changing anything. But Trump is not the answer. I hope that when his term is over, his voters can recognize that and take another shot with someone else.


It will decades to undo his sh!t.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.


Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.


+1

Everything government subsidies rises in price much faster than what it doesn't.


What about current students that need this aid?


Guess you're gonna have to go work and earn the money to pay the bill. What a novel idea!


STFU. If you're in a red state, we are subsidizing YOU. If you collect medicare or Medicaid, have drawn on social security, use any single tax deduction on your annual tax form, took out a First Time Home Buyer loan, or used any number of other federally subsidized tax breaks, loans, or programs, you are siphoning of others.
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