Trump ceasing federal aid for college

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Too many students going to college that shouldn’t be there. College is over attended in the US resulting in a ton of student dept. If you can’t afford college outright and aren’t high achieving enough to get merit aid, then enter the workforce. Everyone isn’t owed a college degree.

Dumbest thing I have read all day and that's saying a lot. What does essentially says is that only rich people should go to college. Do you even hear yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:He can’t do this. This is like his 15th impeachable act in a week.

He can do whatever he wants. That is what the country voted for. He could literally take you out if you don't like it and that would be that.

No, he cannot. This is America. And everyone needs to stop accepting that he’ll
always break the law and just carry on with their lives. Impeach him again and again and keep suing him in court.

CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES

I live in a blue state and my representatives vote against him. WHAT DOES CALLING MY REPS DO??

Thank them! Let them know you’re paying attention and you appreciate their resistance.

You asked, we answered. You asked again, we answered. You asked again, well, that's on you.

So I should clog the line to say thank you and leave people with actual needs on hold while I pay myself on the back for calling and saying thank you? My vote isnt enough? Just checking.

You're insufferable.

Sorry for asking a legit question.

Well...it demonstrates how clearly obtuse you are on how civics work in this country. It's not a good look.

Jeez, you’re a real peach to be responding like this to people asking questions to deepen their understanding.

Are people not allowed to sincerely ask where to best spend their time (and the “why” behind it)?

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Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.

Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.

Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.

Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.

Every financial entity has a possible cost reduction.

Most schools don’t need football, especially the schools where it doesn’t make money.

Multiple rec centers? Nope.

Climbing walls? Nope.

Community college is inexpensive. Just build some dorms around them and charge the associated cost and you’ll have your model.

I appreciate your post. It wasn’t low effort. But my opinion is colleges aren’t operating a bare bones, minimum staffing model. There is bloat, and it’s costing consumers money.

DP.

He is cutting audio to community colleges as well.

Positive change is possible, and I agree that Democrats ( leadership) were not interested in actually changing anything. But Trump is not the answer. I hope that when his term is over, his voters can recognize that and take another shot with someone else.

Dp- the same idiots that voted for this crap are the same idiots that voted us into the Iraq war. They literally never learn. They will vote for the next terrible “conservative” next time. They never understand what the lesson is.

I get your point. But to their credit, they are looking for change. They may be looking in all the wrong places, but they are looking. What have Democrats done to reduce the cost of higher education? They keep giving more loans and the prices keep going up.

Higher education is largely liberal yet we went from 2 year law school programs to 3 year programs. We went from pharmacy training being 6 years away from high school to being 8. Other countries manage to train capable professionals in a shorter period. Yet we increased the years of training, there by increasing cost of attendance and delaying earning years for our professionals. All these fields have governing boards that are largely liberal. Don't they see the disaster that our cost of education is? Why haven't they shortened these programs? Why haven't they created work and train programs to reduce costs for students?

I hate that these people voted for Trump, but at least they're are trying to find change. Change is needed.

+1 Agree

The problem is that the GOP has captured the white working class through fearmongering and racism. So Democrats get their support from a fractured coalition held together with money from rich liberals who love money more than they love their country.

Are you kidding me? Rich conservatives want to hoard all the money for themselves. The GOP has not passed a SINGLE piece of legislation in ONE HUNDRED years that has done ANYTHING for the BENEFIT of common people in this country. NOT ONE!

Nothing in your post condradicts the stuff you have bolded from the PP's post. Rich liberals love money more than they love America. Rich conservatives are psychopaths.

So how is that the case? Just give the cites of where rich liberals love money more than America.

Obama had a supermajority and was only able to pass the Heritage Foundation's health care reform which enriches health care executives.

Consumer protections in healthcare are still a joke.

Wealthy liberals fight tooth and nail to keep their local communities and schools segregated to keep their property values up.

Several Senate Democrats voted for financial deregulation because they are whores for the banks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Too many students going to college that shouldn’t be there. College is over attended in the US resulting in a ton of student dept. If you can’t afford college outright and aren’t high achieving enough to get merit aid, then enter the workforce. Everyone isn’t owed a college degree.

Dumbest thing I have read all day and that's saying a lot. What does essentially says is that only rich people should go to college. Do you even hear yourself?

Not want I’m saying. There is plenty of merit aid given out to high achieving students. Or get a job and work, go to college part time as you earn and save. You can always join the military or do ROTC, Uncle Sam will happily pay for your college and you’ll have zero debt. If you are a mediocre student plus broke, plus you don’t want to work hard, you have no business at college incurring debt.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Too many students going to college that shouldn’t be there. College is over attended in the US resulting in a ton of student dept. If you can’t afford college outright and aren’t high achieving enough to get merit aid, then enter the workforce. Everyone isn’t owed a college degree.

Dumbest thing I have read all day and that's saying a lot. What does essentially says is that only rich people should go to college. Do you even hear yourself?

Not want I’m saying. There is plenty of merit aid given out to high achieving students. Or get a job and work, go to college part time as you earn and save. You can always join the military or do ROTC, Uncle Sam will happily pay for your college and you’ll have zero debt. If you are a mediocre student plus broke, plus you don’t want to work hard, you have no business at college incurring debt.

Jobs require degrees - fortunately that tide is turning and some employers are doing away with these requirements.

But it explains why people go to college when you think they shouldn't be there. You probably knew this but forgot while you were ranting.

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I would support zero federal aid for colleges and universities. It's just awful driving through economically destroyed urban and rural areas only to see that island of extreme wealth, almost always some college, probably concerned the poors won't leave to grant them that space to build that latest perfumed palace.

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Anonymous wrote:I would support zero federal aid for colleges and universities. It's just awful driving through economically destroyed urban and rural areas only to see that island of extreme wealth, almost always some college, probably concerned the poors won't leave to grant them that space to build that latest perfumed palace.

There was a time, in the now-distant past, when we used to support colleges, universities, and research in many fields. We have cut a lot of it. Now we are trying to figure out how to stop the rest of that spending. All of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Too many students going to college that shouldn’t be there. College is over attended in the US resulting in a ton of student dept. If you can’t afford college outright and aren’t high achieving enough to get merit aid, then enter the workforce. Everyone isn’t owed a college degree.

Dumbest thing I have read all day and that's saying a lot. What does essentially says is that only rich people should go to college. Do you even hear yourself?

Not want I’m saying. There is plenty of merit aid given out to high achieving students. Or get a job and work, go to college part time as you earn and save. You can always join the military or do ROTC, Uncle Sam will happily pay for your college and you’ll have zero debt. If you are a mediocre student plus broke, plus you don’t want to work hard, you have no business at college incurring debt.

This is so beyond classes I can't even. I teach at a community college and a good percentage of my students get financial aid. They are making the responsible decision to get a decent education at a decent price and you would still deny them. These students are already working full or part-time but you lose out on main earning potential years if you wait until you can afford to pay for college completely out of pocket

You might argue that there needs to be some reform and the student loan program but saying unless a college pays for you or you can pay for it yourself no one should go is so simplistic classes and unbelievably anti-American I'm astounded

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Too many students going to college that shouldn’t be there. College is over attended in the US resulting in a ton of student dept. If you can’t afford college outright and aren’t high achieving enough to get merit aid, then enter the workforce. Everyone isn’t owed a college degree.

This is actually disgusting. Student loans helped me pay my way through college and then an elite law school. Education is the best way for social mobility in this country and remember student loans are not hand outs, they are repaid with interest.

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Anonymous wrote:I would support zero federal aid for colleges and universities. It's just awful driving through economically destroyed urban and rural areas only to see that island of extreme wealth, almost always some college, probably concerned the poors won't leave to grant them that space to build that latest perfumed palace.

Wtaf are you even talking about

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Anonymous wrote:That will probably lower college costs. Amazing how the cost of college has skyrocketed once the government got in on the loan business.

I’d consider this a win for future students who won’t be saddled with student loan debt.

They won’t have the means to pay for college either way. It only benefits the UMC who have additional disposable income to plow into 529 plans. It does not benefit students who require grants and loans because they are without family or parental financial support.

Without all those students using grants and loans, colleges will have to lower prices to keep that money flowing in.

The Ivies may continue to only be for the rich, but I could see state schools cut tuition to have higher enrollment.

VA Tech isn’t just going to only have 10,000 students attend who can afford full pay. Better to lower tuition to ensure full enrollment and a higher bottom line.

Deflation doesn't work like that. Sorry not sorry.

Please explain how it works then.


You’re right about housing and other large purchases. Why buy today when you can buy tomorrow? That type of deflation will wreck an economy by disincentivizing spending.

For many other consumer goods, deflation doesn’t have nearly the effect. As a basic example, TVs have decreased in price since they were invented. Consumers have benefitted, and still buy TVs. People buy eggs as they get less expensive.

If college costs decreased every year, I’ll still send my kids to college. Even if the price is less expensive the following year.

Where are the cost reductions? Will the professor salaries get cut, or services such as counseling, tutoring, student mental support etc get eliminated. It is my understanding that universities are finding it difficult to get students interested in the teaching profession, so they need to compete for people willing to instruct your dear Larla. How about housing, I guess they can go back to the shit hole dorm rooms that existed when I attended FSU. We didn’t have air condition in Tallahassee florid in some of the dorms. Yikes, just that memory is revolting. Will the cost of boarding decrease despite food prices increasing throughout the country. Bottom line is that the cost will not decrease, but more schools will close and/or consolidate; thus making the demand for those who can pay more in demand.

Every financial entity has a possible cost reduction.

Most schools don’t need football, especially the schools where it doesn’t make money.

Multiple rec centers? Nope.

Climbing walls? Nope.

Community college is inexpensive. Just build some dorms around them and charge the associated cost and you’ll have your model.

I appreciate your post. It wasn’t low effort. But my opinion is colleges aren’t operating a bare bones, minimum staffing model. There is bloat, and it’s costing consumers money.

DP.

He is cutting audio to community colleges as well.

Positive change is possible, and I agree that Democrats ( leadership) were not interested in actually changing anything. But Trump is not the answer. I hope that when his term is over, his voters can recognize that and take another shot with someone else.

Dp- the same idiots that voted for this crap are the same idiots that voted us into the Iraq war. They literally never learn. They will vote for the next terrible “conservative” next time. They never understand what the lesson is.

I get your point. But to their credit, they are looking for change. They may be looking in all the wrong places, but they are looking. What have Democrats done to reduce the cost of higher education? They keep giving more loans and the prices keep going up.

Higher education is largely liberal yet we went from 2 year law school programs to 3 year programs. We went from pharmacy training being 6 years away from high school to being 8. Other countries manage to train capable professionals in a shorter period. Yet we increased the years of training, there by increasing cost of attendance and delaying earning years for our professionals. All these fields have governing boards that are largely liberal. Don't they see the disaster that our cost of education is? Why haven't they shortened these programs? Why haven't they created work and train programs to reduce costs for students?

I hate that these people voted for Trump, but at least they're are trying to find change. Change is needed.

+1 Agree

The problem is that the GOP has captured the white working class through fearmongering and racism. So Democrats get their support from a fractured coalition held together with money from rich liberals who love money more than they love their country.

Are you kidding me? Rich conservatives want to hoard all the money for themselves. The GOP has not passed a SINGLE piece of legislation in ONE HUNDRED years that has done ANYTHING for the BENEFIT of common people in this country. NOT ONE!

Nothing in your post condradicts the stuff you have bolded from the PP's post. Rich liberals love money more than they love America. Rich conservatives are psychopaths.

So how is that the case? Just give the cites of where rich liberals love money more than America.

Obama had a supermajority and was only able to pass the Heritage Foundation's health care reform which enriches health care executives.

Consumer protections in healthcare are still a joke.

Wealthy liberals fight tooth and nail to keep their local communities and schools segregated to keep their property values up.

Several Senate Democrats voted for financial deregulation because they are whores for the banks.

Tell me you know nothing about the history of the ACA. He did not have a supermajority when he passed it. Obama and the Senate Dems operated in good faith, trying to negotiate with the GOP in what they wanted in the bill. Frankly, they lost time doing that. And the GOP knifed them for not voting for the ACA on final passage after the Dems accepted so many of their amendments.

You are not a serious person, truly not.

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Anonymous wrote:I would support zero federal aid for colleges and universities. It's just awful driving through economically destroyed urban and rural areas only to see that island of extreme wealth, almost always some college, probably concerned the poors won't leave to grant them that space to build that latest perfumed palace.

Wtaf are you even talking about

Right?

Most of these schools in rural areas are not islands of extreme wealth and are the last institution holding the community together.

Some people on here are just so d@mn dumb, shockingly so. I've got to think that most are trolls/bots.

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I think college is overrated. First of all, not all colleges provide the same level of education. Sometimes, you go to work and you can rise up. A lot of successful people did not grad from college, did not go to college, grad from community college and/or are not actually using their degrees they grad with.

There's a difference between going to UVA and a no name small college that nobody's ever heard of that is somewhere nobody knows about. It's not that everyone is also a good fit for college. There are also trades you can choose from a career perspective. There's a lot of options. Own your own business - basically if you're good at sales, you will succeed in busdev.

The thing about providing all these funds is it puts forth this myth of - work hard, go to college, get a degree, be really successful and live the American dream of buying a house and having 2.5 kids. Sorry, those days are over.

I'm not really saying there should be no aid but that the aid has to make sense, there has to be very clear ambition/understanding of why you're choosing to apply to college and it's time to reform the entire FA process anyway. Is Trump right for doing it this brutal way of just taking it all away at once? Probably not. But just saying - it's not like this is some nutjob concept. It's time we look at how our society functions cause it's broken in so many ways!

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Anonymous wrote:I think college is overrated. First of all, not all colleges provide the same level of education. Sometimes, you go to work and you can rise up. A lot of successful people did not grad from college, did not go to college, grad from community college and/or are not actually using their degrees they grad with.

There's a difference between going to UVA and a no name small college that nobody's ever heard of that is somewhere nobody knows about. It's not that everyone is also a good fit for college. There are also trades you can choose from a career perspective. There's a lot of options. Own your own business - basically if you're good at sales, you will succeed in busdev.

The thing about providing all these funds is it puts forth this myth of - work hard, go to college, get a degree, be really successful and live the American dream of buying a house and having 2.5 kids. Sorry, those days are over.

I'm not really saying there should be no aid but that the aid has to make sense, there has to be very clear ambition/understanding of why you're choosing to apply to college and it's time to reform the entire FA process anyway. Is Trump right for doing it this brutal way of just taking it all away at once? Probably not. But just saying - it's not like this is some nutjob concept. It's time we look at how our society functions cause it's broken in so many ways!

We don't send the money to Trump. We send the money to the United States Treasury. Congress makes the budget, not Trump.