New VDOE Rankings of High and Secondary Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Woodson is below Hayfield?????

Something is funky with their algorithm.

Even in US News Report ranking (I know I know some of you hate it), Woodson has been declining for several years. On the other hand, Chantilly has been surging. This reflects also Rocky Run ranking here is first. All I can attribute this is to demographic change of student bodies, a sort of "gentrification" of Chantilly pyramid.

School ratings correspond largely to demographics, and Woodson slipped a bit after the boundary change that moved Fairfax Villa ES from Fairfax to Woodson. It's a less affluent area than the rest of the areas that feed into Woodson, so the ratings dropped slightly. Even so, the issue with the VDOE ratings/rankings appears to have more to do with data integrity than Woodson's demographics.

And, yes, Chantilly has become a magnet for Asian families seeking a more affordable alternative to Langley, McLean, etc. It's one of the three high schools in FCPS that are either majority (TJ) or plurality (Centreville, Chantilly) Asian. That translates into a ratings boost.

I lived near Woodson in the 2010s, and hasn't been following up on its boundary. Surprised to see the new Woodson boundary cut Fairfax high area in half and made them disjointed.

Fairfax City wanted FCPS to pull some county kids out of Fairfax HS, and FCPS obliged by moving Fairfax Villa to Woodson, which created a big Fairfax HS attendance island to the west.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2

I would love to see students who live in Falls Church that are currently at McLean HS be reassigned to Falls Church. If that happens, that will bring McLean HS to 2nd place, just behind TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woodson is below Hayfield?????

Something is funky with their algorithm.

They’re basically ranked about the same, I wouldn’t stress too much about the ordering. It’s more interesting that certain schools are relatively high and up there with schools that have a much better reputation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2

I would love to see students who live in Falls Church that are currently at McLean HS be reassigned to Falls Church. If that happens, that will bring McLean HS to 2nd place, just behind TJ.

The highest performing kids at McLean HS attend Haycock ES, which is in Falls Church. So I’m guessing you mean the Timber Lane kids further south near Route 29. Even if the McLean part of Timber Lane gets moved to Falls Church to eliminate the current attendance island/split feeder, McLean could still be behind Langley and Oakton. They are all top schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2

I would love to see students who live in Falls Church that are currently at McLean HS be reassigned to Falls Church. If that happens, that will bring McLean HS to 2nd place, just behind TJ.

The highest performing kids at McLean HS attend Haycock ES, which is in Falls Church. So I’m guessing you mean the Timber Lane kids further south near Route 29. Even if the McLean part of Timber Lane gets moved to Falls Church to eliminate the current attendance island/split feeder, McLean could still be behind Langley and Oakton. They are all top schools.

Lots of McLean kids from Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, and Chesterbrook ES go to Haycock because of the AAP program there. The easiest solution is to make a McLean HS a secondary school like LBSS or Robinson SS for ONLY McLean residents. If that happens, McLean will be in 2nd place behind TJ.

I run a $150/hour tutoring service, and over 95% of students from Churchill, Spring Hill, Potomac, Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, Chesterbrook, Mclean HS, and Langley HS. Less than 5% of my customers are outside of McLean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2

I would love to see students who live in Falls Church that are currently at McLean HS be reassigned to Falls Church. If that happens, that will bring McLean HS to 2nd place, just behind TJ.

The highest performing kids at McLean HS attend Haycock ES, which is in Falls Church. So I’m guessing you mean the Timber Lane kids further south near Route 29. Even if the McLean part of Timber Lane gets moved to Falls Church to eliminate the current attendance island/split feeder, McLean could still be behind Langley and Oakton. They are all top schools.

Lots of McLean kids from Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, and Chesterbrook ES go to Haycock because of the AAP program there. The easiest solution is to make a McLean HS a secondary school like LBSS or Robinson SS for ONLY McLean residents. If that happens, McLean will be in 2nd place behind TJ.

I run a $150/hour tutoring service, and over 95% of students from Churchill, Spring Hill, Potomac, Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, Chesterbrook, Mclean HS, and Langley HS. Less than 5% of my customers are outside of McLean.

What would you do with Langley at that point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2

I would love to see students who live in Falls Church that are currently at McLean HS be reassigned to Falls Church. If that happens, that will bring McLean HS to 2nd place, just behind TJ.

The highest performing kids at McLean HS attend Haycock ES, which is in Falls Church. So I’m guessing you mean the Timber Lane kids further south near Route 29. Even if the McLean part of Timber Lane gets moved to Falls Church to eliminate the current attendance island/split feeder, McLean could still be behind Langley and Oakton. They are all top schools.

Lots of McLean kids from Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, and Chesterbrook ES go to Haycock because of the AAP program there. The easiest solution is to make a McLean HS a secondary school like LBSS or Robinson SS for ONLY McLean residents. If that happens, McLean will be in 2nd place behind TJ.

I run a $150/hour tutoring service, and over 95% of students from Churchill, Spring Hill, Potomac, Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, Chesterbrook, Mclean HS, and Langley HS. Less than 5% of my customers are outside of McLean.

That’s not going to happen and you don’t have your facts right, either. The AAP kids from Kent Gardens who want to attend an AAP center go to Churchill Road, not Haycock. And if you don’t think lots of Haycock kids who live in Falls Church get tutoring (even if not from you), you’re quite mistaken.

But, again, your suggestion is absurd. Secondary schools in FCPS are among the biggest schools in the state (Lake Braddock and Robinson, in particular). McLean HS, on the other hand, has or soon will have the smallest capacity of any HS in the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2

I would love to see students who live in Falls Church that are currently at McLean HS be reassigned to Falls Church. If that happens, that will bring McLean HS to 2nd place, just behind TJ.

The highest performing kids at McLean HS attend Haycock ES, which is in Falls Church. So I’m guessing you mean the Timber Lane kids further south near Route 29. Even if the McLean part of Timber Lane gets moved to Falls Church to eliminate the current attendance island/split feeder, McLean could still be behind Langley and Oakton. They are all top schools.

Lots of McLean kids from Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, and Chesterbrook ES go to Haycock because of the AAP program there. The easiest solution is to make a McLean HS a secondary school like LBSS or Robinson SS for ONLY McLean residents. If that happens, McLean will be in 2nd place behind TJ.

I run a $150/hour tutoring service, and over 95% of students from Churchill, Spring Hill, Potomac, Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, Chesterbrook, Mclean HS, and Langley HS. Less than 5% of my customers are outside of McLean.

What would you do with Langley at that point?

Or Longfellow MS for that matter.

[Anonymous]

Edison and Hayfield performing where they are is only a surprise to those who lump them in with route 1 schools just based on their proximity to that area. They've performed on par with several central county schools for a few years now. They do good work with their populations.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.doe.virginia.gov/state-board-data-funding/accreditation-accountability/school-performance-and-support-framework

High Schools (Overall Framework Score):

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2
Madison 92.2
Chantilly 91.8
Marshall 90.1
Lake Braddock 89.3
West Springfield 88.9
South County 87.2
Robinson 86.1
South Lakes 86.0
Edison 85.9
Centreville 85.2
Hayfield 85.2
Woodson 84.7
Westfield 83.2
Fairfax 80.7
West Potomac 79.3
Herndon 78.2
Lewis 78.0
Mount Vernon 78.0
Falls Church 77.7
Annandale 69.7
Justice 67.8

Middle Schools (Overall Framework Score)

Rocky Run 93.0
Carson 92.6
Longfellow 92.5
Cooper 90.8
Thoreau 90.0
Frost 89.9
Lake Braddock 89.3
South County 89.1
Kilmer 88.2
Liberty 86.3
Twain 86.3
Robinson 86.1
Johnson 85.9
Stone 85.9
Franklin 85.3
Irving 85.3
Hayfield 85.2
Hughes 83.6
Whitman 80.3
Jackson 79.7
Herndon 79.6
Holmes 77.4
Sandburg 77.1
Key 76.3
Glasgow 74.9
Poe 73.5

How can you filter out FARMS/ESOL to compare apples to apples? Comparing homogenous SES Langley to nearly any other school is laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:The Langley parents are now arguing on the FairFACTS page that they can’t be moved to Herndon because Herndon is in the “off track” category.

In fact, the opposite will happen because redistricting some Langley kids there will push Herndon into the “on track” category (above 80).

When that happens they can think Youngkin for further incentivizing the School Board to game the numbers with these new ratings.

Those Langley parents are elitists and no better than the MAGA they complain about when it comes to schools. Their kids are no different than the UMC and MC kids at Herndon except the Langley kids aren’t allowed out of their bubbles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.doe.virginia.gov/state-board-data-funding/accreditation-accountability/school-performance-and-support-framework

High Schools (Overall Framework Score):

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2
Madison 92.2
Chantilly 91.8
Marshall 90.1
Lake Braddock 89.3
West Springfield 88.9
South County 87.2
Robinson 86.1
South Lakes 86.0
Edison 85.9
Centreville 85.2
Hayfield 85.2
Woodson 84.7
Westfield 83.2
Fairfax 80.7
West Potomac 79.3
Herndon 78.2
Lewis 78.0
Mount Vernon 78.0
Falls Church 77.7
Annandale 69.7
Justice 67.8

Middle Schools (Overall Framework Score)

Rocky Run 93.0
Carson 92.6
Longfellow 92.5
Cooper 90.8
Thoreau 90.0
Frost 89.9
Lake Braddock 89.3
South County 89.1
Kilmer 88.2
Liberty 86.3
Twain 86.3
Robinson 86.1
Johnson 85.9
Stone 85.9
Franklin 85.3
Irving 85.3
Hayfield 85.2
Hughes 83.6
Whitman 80.3
Jackson 79.7
Herndon 79.6
Holmes 77.4
Sandburg 77.1
Key 76.3
Glasgow 74.9
Poe 73.5

How can you filter out FARMS/ESOL to compare apples to apples? Comparing homogenous SES Langley to nearly any other school is laughable.

They don't, and of course if you look at the ES ratings it's mostly the AAP centers that pull kids from other schools that are rated the highest. Here are the ES rated 95 or higher:

Haycock 100.1 (AAP center in McLean pyramid)
Churchill Road 98.4 (AAP center in Langley pyramid)
Colvin Run 97.8 (AAP center in Langley pyramid)
Westbriar 97.2 (AAP center in Marshall pyramid)
Chesterbrook 96.8 (McLean pyramid; not AAP Center but low ESOL/FARMS)
Kent Gardens 96.7 (McLean pyramid; not AAP Center but low ESOL/FARMS)
Spring Hill 96.6 (Langley pyramid; not AAP Center but low ESOL/FARMS)
Sangster 95.5 (AAP center in Lake Braddock pyramid)
Oak Hill 95.4 (AAP center in Chantilly pyramid)
Navy 95.2 (AAP center in Oakton pyramid)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see Oakton so high

Why? It has to be the 3rd richest HS in FCPS by now behind only Langley and McLean.

Kyle McDaniel is in that pyramid, right? He’s one of the chief architects of the boundary review and so I’m sure the school is safe from the chaos that the school board is about to wreak on the county. So corrupt.

TJ 105.1
Langley 95.6
Oakton 94.5
McLean 92.2

I would love to see students who live in Falls Church that are currently at McLean HS be reassigned to Falls Church. If that happens, that will bring McLean HS to 2nd place, just behind TJ.

The highest performing kids at McLean HS attend Haycock ES, which is in Falls Church. So I’m guessing you mean the Timber Lane kids further south near Route 29. Even if the McLean part of Timber Lane gets moved to Falls Church to eliminate the current attendance island/split feeder, McLean could still be behind Langley and Oakton. They are all top schools.

Lots of McLean kids from Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, and Chesterbrook ES go to Haycock because of the AAP program there. The easiest solution is to make a McLean HS a secondary school like LBSS or Robinson SS for ONLY McLean residents. If that happens, McLean will be in 2nd place behind TJ.

I run a $150/hour tutoring service, and over 95% of students from Churchill, Spring Hill, Potomac, Franklin Sherman, Kent Garden, Chesterbrook, Mclean HS, and Langley HS. Less than 5% of my customers are outside of McLean.

That’s not going to happen and you don’t have your facts right, either. The AAP kids from Kent Gardens who want to attend an AAP center go to Churchill Road, not Haycock. And if you don’t think lots of Haycock kids who live in Falls Church get tutoring (even if not from you), you’re quite mistaken.

But, again, your suggestion is absurd. Secondary schools in FCPS are among the biggest schools in the state (Lake Braddock and Robinson, in particular). McLean HS, on the other hand, has or soon will have the smallest capacity of any HS in the county.

My DS graduated from McLean HS in 2023 and his graduation class was about 800 students. Therefore, I assume McLean HS has at least 3000 students. Is that small?