Yorktown HS — Opted out of SEL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did not realize we could opt out of SEL. My kids are in middle school but it seems like a giant waste of time. I would much rather have my kids have time to do homework, or not have homeroom at all and just spend more time in class.

The point of homeroom is to build community and for kids to have consistent time with a trusted adult. For those who need that. It’s invaluable.

I absolutely don't understand how the SEL lectures during advisory time/homeroom are building community. At DHMS, the kids sit there, listen to a lecture, and then are supposed to sit quietly and think about it. And, despite asking, the lessons aren't published anywhere. I second that idea that homework time would be much more useful. Or actual time to speak with their peers. Whatever SEL is supposed to be, surely what it actually is isn't it.

Your kid is in middle school for what it’s worth. In high school, it’s a downtime part of their day. They see the same kids every day and it does build community in our experience. You truly cannot compare the stress of middle school to high school and how this is a good period of time for these kids to just be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: DHMS, they’ve been doing SEL during TA or Phoenix time since day 1.

I have no problem with my kids learning about conflict resolution, organizing schoolwork, or playing games with other kids. It’s time well spent for that small chunk of the day.

Parents who have an issue with that are seriously fcked in the head.

Definitely sounds like you needs some SEL. Glad your kid is getting it at school, even if it's poorly thought out. And no, no it's not the same as last year. And every teacher handles it differently. Which is itself a problem. You should think on maybe some therapy? DBT doesn't have to go on forever and could help with thoughts and responses like this, especially if they interfere with your IRL relationships or work.

Oh boy. Take a look in the mirror buddy. DP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would you opt out if you didn’t have confirmation on an alternative activity? You’d rather your kid just sit in an empty room alone?

IME parents like this are attention-seeking for their anti-social attitude and behavior. Starting a thread like this is another example of that mindset. It’s weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize we could opt out of SEL. My kids are in middle school but it seems like a giant waste of time. I would much rather have my kids have time to do homework, or not have homeroom at all and just spend more time in class.

The point of homeroom is to build community and for kids to have consistent time with a trusted adult. For those who need that. It’s invaluable.

I absolutely don't understand how the SEL lectures during advisory time/homeroom are building community. At DHMS, the kids sit there, listen to a lecture, and then are supposed to sit quietly and think about it. And, despite asking, the lessons aren't published anywhere. I second that idea that homework time would be much more useful. Or actual time to speak with their peers. Whatever SEL is supposed to be, surely what it actually is isn't it.

That’s when they sneak in the CRT and other indoctrination. Someone alert Younkin.

/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize we could opt out of SEL. My kids are in middle school but it seems like a giant waste of time. I would much rather have my kids have time to do homework, or not have homeroom at all and just spend more time in class.

The point of homeroom is to build community and for kids to have consistent time with a trusted adult. For those who need that. It’s invaluable.

I absolutely don't understand how the SEL lectures during advisory time/homeroom are building community. At DHMS, the kids sit there, listen to a lecture, and then are supposed to sit quietly and think about it. And, despite asking, the lessons aren't published anywhere. I second that idea that homework time would be much more useful. Or actual time to speak with their peers. Whatever SEL is supposed to be, surely what it actually is isn't it.

As stated, you’re speaking from experience of middle school. In high school, patriot Period Specifically, this is a time where they’re speaking with their peers, discussing the topics together. And it’s an environment where there are no right or wrong answers no pressure, Etc. These lessons aren’t as deep as you’re making them out to be, but the time is beneficial for the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize we could opt out of SEL. My kids are in middle school but it seems like a giant waste of time. I would much rather have my kids have time to do homework, or not have homeroom at all and just spend more time in class.

The point of homeroom is to build community and for kids to have consistent time with a trusted adult. For those who need that. It’s invaluable.

I absolutely don't understand how the SEL lectures during advisory time/homeroom are building community. At DHMS, the kids sit there, listen to a lecture, and then are supposed to sit quietly and think about it. And, despite asking, the lessons aren't published anywhere. I second that idea that homework time would be much more useful. Or actual time to speak with their peers. Whatever SEL is supposed to be, surely what it actually is isn't it.

As stated, you’re speaking from experience of middle school. In high school, patriot Period Specifically, this is a time where they’re speaking with their peers, discussing the topics together. And it’s an environment where there are no right or wrong answers no pressure, Etc. These lessons aren’t as deep as you’re making them out to be, but the time is beneficial for the kids.

They speak to each other in MS. They play games and do interactive activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: DHMS, they’ve been doing SEL during TA or Phoenix time since day 1.

I have no problem with my kids learning about conflict resolution, organizing schoolwork, or playing games with other kids. It’s time well spent for that small chunk of the day.

Parents who have an issue with that are seriously fcked in the head.

Definitely sounds like you needs some SEL. Glad your kid is getting it at school, even if it's poorly thought out. And no, no it's not the same as last year. And every teacher handles it differently. Which is itself a problem. You should think on maybe some therapy? DBT doesn't have to go on forever and could help with thoughts and responses like this, especially if they interfere with your IRL relationships or work.

Thanks for perfectly demonstrating my point about parents who have an issue with SEL.

What’s different? Slightly different schedule or content? It’s not meaningfully any different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would you opt out if you didn’t have confirmation on an alternative activity? You’d rather your kid just sit in an empty room alone?

IME parents like this are attention-seeking for their anti-social attitude and behavior. Starting a thread like this is another example of that mindset. It’s weird.

YES! You’ve just described the anti-SEL parents perfectly: attention-seeking behavior for anti-social attitude and behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize we could opt out of SEL. My kids are in middle school but it seems like a giant waste of time. I would much rather have my kids have time to do homework, or not have homeroom at all and just spend more time in class.

The point of homeroom is to build community and for kids to have consistent time with a trusted adult. For those who need that. It’s invaluable.

I absolutely don't understand how the SEL lectures during advisory time/homeroom are building community. At DHMS, the kids sit there, listen to a lecture, and then are supposed to sit quietly and think about it. And, despite asking, the lessons aren't published anywhere. I second that idea that homework time would be much more useful. Or actual time to speak with their peers. Whatever SEL is supposed to be, surely what it actually is isn't it.

As stated, you’re speaking from experience of middle school. In high school, patriot Period Specifically, this is a time where they’re speaking with their peers, discussing the topics together. And it’s an environment where there are no right or wrong answers no pressure, Etc. These lessons aren’t as deep as you’re making them out to be, but the time is beneficial for the kids.

They speak to each other in MS. They play games and do interactive activities.

Then the previous poster who said why can’t it be a used as a time for kids to speak to each other is just talking out of her ass? Probably one of those parents who has a lot of opinions, but never actually steps foot in the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize we could opt out of SEL. My kids are in middle school but it seems like a giant waste of time. I would much rather have my kids have time to do homework, or not have homeroom at all and just spend more time in class.

The point of homeroom is to build community and for kids to have consistent time with a trusted adult. For those who need that. It’s invaluable.

I absolutely don't understand how the SEL lectures during advisory time/homeroom are building community. At DHMS, the kids sit there, listen to a lecture, and then are supposed to sit quietly and think about it. And, despite asking, the lessons aren't published anywhere. I second that idea that homework time would be much more useful. Or actual time to speak with their peers. Whatever SEL is supposed to be, surely what it actually is isn't it.

As stated, you’re speaking from experience of middle school. In high school, patriot Period Specifically, this is a time where they’re speaking with their peers, discussing the topics together. And it’s an environment where there are no right or wrong answers no pressure, Etc. These lessons aren’t as deep as you’re making them out to be, but the time is beneficial for the kids.

They speak to each other in MS. They play games and do interactive activities.

Then the previous poster who said why can’t it be a used as a time for kids to speak to each other is just talking out of her ass? Probably one of those parents who has a lot of opinions, but never actually steps foot in the school.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize we could opt out of SEL. My kids are in middle school but it seems like a giant waste of time. I would much rather have my kids have time to do homework, or not have homeroom at all and just spend more time in class.

The point of homeroom is to build community and for kids to have consistent time with a trusted adult. For those who need that. It’s invaluable.

I absolutely don't understand how the SEL lectures during advisory time/homeroom are building community. At DHMS, the kids sit there, listen to a lecture, and then are supposed to sit quietly and think about it. And, despite asking, the lessons aren't published anywhere. I second that idea that homework time would be much more useful. Or actual time to speak with their peers. Whatever SEL is supposed to be, surely what it actually is isn't it.

Your kid is in middle school for what it’s worth. In high school, it’s a downtime part of their day. They see the same kids every day and it does build community in our experience. You truly cannot compare the stress of middle school to high school and how this is a good period of time for these kids to just be.

Are you suggesting that HS kids consider SEL lessons to be “down time” and that they like it? I can assure you, most do not. They can build community by talking, playing a board game together, or traveling to another room for a club. SEL cuts into all of these things for very little (if any) benefit. Kids need “SEL” in the broad sense, but not as super contrived lessons that the teachers don’t like and make the kids roll their eyes.

(And no, I didn’t opt by kid out, because I thought that would make the teacher’s and kid’s life unnecessarily complicated.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My high schooler says it is a giant waste of time and sometimes delivered over the announcement system. Please tell me how that is effective or even moderately helpful.

The kids that really need it aren’t benefiting by having some random teacher read from whatever nonsense they are given.

And in ES it raised issues that caused more harm than good. The counselor was awful and tried to make kid hug another kid as part of it. Wtf?! No thanks.

If they are in YHS that is wrong- it's never over the PA system.

+1

There’s actually been some pretty helpful lessons like essay writing/college applications

Who is lying and calling that SEL?

[Anonymous]

TheSpanishDoctor wrote:This is RULER's Year 1/Lesson 1: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1J0sP7rfikEl8KpObVeVDvbO4qwm4gJfdoMFQVvmBHVw/edit?usp=sharing.

I'm curious to know what "the research" says about non-SEL experts, such as myself, being asked to teach SEL lessons.

Anyway, here are some highlights.

Slide 2: Day 1 with these lessons and we're supposed to ask, "Has anyone ever had a conflict with a family member where there was a disagreement that escalated and emotions got out of hand?" Yes, let's revisit some trauma.

Slide 5: "Each of you will pick a role and re-enact the scene so that an agreement is reached that is acceptable both people. (sic)" This slide was optional. We did not do this. I commented to the instructional aide that we would not be doing what John Bender did in the Breakfast Club. (I think she got the reference.)

Slide 9: Watch the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence count to 10.

In my Patriot Period, we (I mean mostly "I") only talked about slides 7 and 9.

Does anyone else want teachers and kids to have 30 minutes of their day back?

It’s emotional intelligence, not mathematical intelligence.


It’s equity counting. All numbers are equal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the back to school packet on Parentvue we opted our freshman out of SEL. We’ve done this every year yet they still take that survey and have had to sit through whatever they did in MS

If they have been opted out of SEL, can they do something else during that time in Patriot Period? Kid tells me so far teacher hasn’t mentioned it. What is the point of an opt out if it means nothing?

Why are you asking us? Did you ask the school?