Superintendent Taylor admits there is grade inflation in MCPS during BoE meeting

[Anonymous]

This thread is absurd.

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

Grade inflation is a stupid question.

Here is why if MCPS tracked students achievement upon leaving you would see accross the board how great MCPS is. Our students do better than a large portion of the US.

Is there room for improvement of course however grade inflation lol that’s private school territory.

Maybe work on not banning any more books or allowing the Christian right to enter our schools way more important at this juncture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is absurd.

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

Grade inflation is a stupid question.

Here is why if MCPS tracked students achievement upon leaving you would see accross the board how great MCPS is. Our students do better than a large portion of the US.

Is there room for improvement of course however grade inflation lol that’s private school territory.

Maybe work on not banning any more books or allowing the Christian right to enter our schools way more important at this juncture.

The MCPS Propagandists don't disappoint with their spaghetti noodle logic.

Grade inflation is stupid because you say so? Because the majority of MCPS graduates do better than a large portion of the U.S. You're telling on yourself here but that's only true for the white and Asian students who are achieving proficiencies in math and literacy in the 80% range. That is not true for Black and Latino kids. But you don't care what happens to them so you dismiss concerns about grade inflation, which harm Black and Brown kids the most because it gaslights them into believing they're college and career ready when they actually aren't, which results in more Black and Brown kids dropping out of college, which hurts their longterm earning potential.

But again, you don't care about any of that because you're white, entitled, selfish and you benefit from MCPS's corrupt structure and systems.

[Anonymous]

Who cares!?! Seriously why get all wound up over this. My teen is in magnet math is doing great. There are wonderful opportunities for anyone who is interested and if you aren't then that's your choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is absurd.

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

Grade inflation is a stupid question.

Here is why if MCPS tracked students achievement upon leaving you would see accross the board how great MCPS is. Our students do better than a large portion of the US.

Is there room for improvement of course however grade inflation lol that’s private school territory.

Maybe work on not banning any more books or allowing the Christian right to enter our schools way more important at this juncture.

Completely agree. These haters make absolutely no sense. They just love to hate and complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares!?! Seriously why get all wound up over this. My teen is in magnet math is doing great. There are wonderful opportunities for anyone who is interested and if you aren't then that's your choice.

You are privileged and grade inflation doesn't impact you because you're white, well-resourced and your kid is in a magnet program.

For those of us without those perks, grade inflation is very much a serious and detrimental issue. If you think your kid is fine, the least you could do is just shut up while the rest of us work on combatting grade inflation because the harms associated with it are very real, especially for our Black and Hispanic students.

[Anonymous]

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

A lot of them take remedial classes, and pay to do so when they should've gotten that education in HS for free.

Others use ChatGPT.

Society is doomed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

A lot of them take remedial classes, and pay to do so when they should've gotten that education in HS for free.

Others use ChatGPT.

Society is doomed.

I don't think it's doomed but grade inflation impacts college admissions negatively. Colleges know that MCPS inflates grades.

Your might think based on the GPA your kid should be able to get into what you think is a safety only to find that because of grade inflation that college is more like a target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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During the BOE meeting on 9/26, as the board was discussing MCPS's depressing and pitiful math scores and proficiency levels, Board Member Brenda Wolff asked Jennifer Loznak, Supervisor of Secondary Mathematics, if MCPS in fact followed standards-based grading. Loznak gave a long-winded, word salad response, as is typical of MCPS staff, and that's when Brenda cut to the chase and asked, "I guess what I'm really trying to get at is do you see grade inflation in these math grades?"

There was an uncomfortable pause in the room as MCPS staff hesitated to answer. Dr. Taylor, exasperated with the avoiding stating the obvious, turned on his mic and said, "YES! Yes."

You can tell Dr. Taylor was annoyed that he had to be the one to state the obvious, and he's right. His staff should've just answered the question directly. But that's not the MCPS way. Kudos to him for stating what is plain to anyone who has been paying attention and just looks at the glaring disparities between classroom grades and standardized tests like MAP-M, MAP-R, SAT/ACT, AP and IB exams and MCAP. He needs to get the rest of his leadership in order so that questions like this are answered plainly and directly as he did. And furthermore, now that he's acknowledged, on the record, that there is grade inflation in MCPS, what does he plan to do about it?

Hopefully, now that Taylor has stated it clearly, all of the MCPS advocates who criticized those of us who said that MCPS was engaging in grade inflation were lying or falling prey to conspiracy theories can shut up and move on to their next delusional talking point.

It's early days for Taylor, when it's easy to be more honest. I remember that same dynamic with Jack Smith. Wait a year. If scores do not budge much, see what Taylor says then. It's no easy matter to fix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

A lot of them take remedial classes, and pay to do so when they should've gotten that education in HS for free.

Others use ChatGPT.

Society is doomed.

And because MC and MCPS have an agreement (ahem current BOE President), grade inflation continues. Once those students enter MC and take a math placement test, that's when it shows up how much grade inflation exists. Not all parents have resources to assist their kids, like families on DCUM seem to. And then Central want to bring that F word: equity in their salad. DO SOMETHING.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is absurd.

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

Grade inflation is a stupid question.

Here is why if MCPS tracked students achievement upon leaving you would see accross the board how great MCPS is. Our students do better than a large portion of the US.

Is there room for improvement of course however grade inflation lol that’s private school territory.

Maybe work on not banning any more books or allowing the Christian right to enter our schools way more important at this juncture.

Montgomery County has an extremely well-educated population. In addition to NIH and NIST, our proximity to DC means we have an abundance of diplomats, university faculty, lawyers, etc. These parents are able to recognize the gaps in the education provided by MCPS and compensate accordingly.

The booming tutoring industry here is astonishing. Other parents work with their kids at home. Even before my now grown oldest child started K, I heard discussions that you send your child to MCPS for socialization and then educate them at home after school. Then there are the individual teachers who, at risk to their careers, quietly teach the kids what they know they need. (The first systematic grammar instruction my DD received was in 4th grade when her teacher taught the grammar curriculum from her daughter’s private school.)

MCPS does have some fabulous programs. My kids were fortunate to be able to take advantage of the magnet program, which was outstanding. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough spaces to accommodate all qualified students. Even worse, if students are relying only on MCPS, they may not be qualified for those opportunities.

I have long been of the opinion that the high achievement levels of this county’s students is largely in spite of MCPS, rather than because of it. What MCPS seems to perform best at isn’t education, but marketing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

A lot of them take remedial classes, and pay to do so when they should've gotten that education in HS for free.

Others use ChatGPT.

Society is doomed.

And because MC and MCPS have an agreement (ahem current BOE President), grade inflation continues. Once those students enter MC and take a math placement test, that's when it shows up how much grade inflation exists. Not all parents have resources to assist their kids, like families on DCUM seem to. And then Central want to bring that F word: equity in their salad. DO SOMETHING.

Very well said and you're right, even MC catches the grade inflation with its placement tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is absurd.

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

Grade inflation is a stupid question.

Here is why if MCPS tracked students achievement upon leaving you would see accross the board how great MCPS is. Our students do better than a large portion of the US.

Is there room for improvement of course however grade inflation lol that’s private school territory.

Maybe work on not banning any more books or allowing the Christian right to enter our schools way more important at this juncture.

Montgomery County has an extremely well-educated population. In addition to NIH and NIST, our proximity to DC means we have an abundance of diplomats, university faculty, lawyers, etc. These parents are able to recognize the gaps in the education provided by MCPS and compensate accordingly.

The booming tutoring industry here is astonishing. Other parents work with their kids at home. Even before my now grown oldest child started K, I heard discussions that you send your child to MCPS for socialization and then educate them at home after school. Then there are the individual teachers who, at risk to their careers, quietly teach the kids what they know they need. (The first systematic grammar instruction my DD received was in 4th grade when her teacher taught the grammar curriculum from her daughter’s private school.)

MCPS does have some fabulous programs. My kids were fortunate to be able to take advantage of the magnet program, which was outstanding. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough spaces to accommodate all qualified students. Even worse, if students are relying only on MCPS, they may not be qualified for those opportunities.

I have long been of the opinion that the high achievement levels of this county’s students is largely in spite of MCPS, rather than because of it. What MCPS seems to perform best at isn’t education, but marketing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So...did he put Loznak on leave after her poor performance at the meeting??

Loznak in fact answered Wolff's question directly. "The grades in high school are not standards-based."

Loznak did not in fact answer Brenda's follow-up question on grade inflation. She sat silent and let Taylor jump in.

OK, but she has no say over the grading system, which is in fact set by long-standing BOE policy. If Wolff thinks standards based grading is the solution to grade inflation in HS, what has she done in her two terms on the board to have that policy changed accordingly? Answer: nothing.

You are, again, dodging the question. The question posed to Loznak was, do you think there's grade inflation? It's a yes or no question. As the person responsible for combing through the results for math in secondary education for MCPS, Loznak should be capable of saying yes or no to that direct question.

Agree to disagree. Taylor answered it, which was appropriate.

How would Taylor really know when he's only been in the position for about 3 months?

[Anonymous]

Also higher ups can try to destroy careers of teachers who don't know how to inflate as it is not taught in our training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is absurd.

MCPS sends how many kids to college that succeed when they are there?

Grade inflation is a stupid question.

Here is why if MCPS tracked students achievement upon leaving you would see accross the board how great MCPS is. Our students do better than a large portion of the US.

Is there room for improvement of course however grade inflation lol that’s private school territory.

Maybe work on not banning any more books or allowing the Christian right to enter our schools way more important at this juncture.

Could you point me to where you’re getting the evidence for this? How do we know that MCPS students do better in college? Is it better than the average random college student or better than similarly situated kids from a socioeconomic perspective? Would be great to see the data you’re using in order to parse this out.