Tenant-caused property damage that cannot be recouped

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huh? LL here. None of that sounds terrible. You aren’t LL material, sorry. You have to learn to chill

You have to learn to read your lease.

I’m renting in the DMV and my lease clearly states that the tenants are responsible for pests that result from their belongings. It’s a clause I signed when I moved in. If your landlord doesn’t include that clause, they are novices.

I think the point is that we’re all trying to figure out why OP *threw away appliances* instead of cleaning them? Yes it sounds like withholding part of the security deposit makes sense but I’m unclear how an oven gets ruined due to crumbs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huh? LL here. None of that sounds terrible. You aren’t LL material, sorry. You have to learn to chill

You have to learn to read your lease.

I’m renting in the DMV and my lease clearly states that the tenants are responsible for pests that result from their belongings. It’s a clause I signed when I moved in. If your landlord doesn’t include that clause, they are novices.

I think the point is that we’re all trying to figure out why OP *threw away appliances* instead of cleaning them? Yes it sounds like withholding part of the security deposit makes sense but I’m unclear how an oven gets ruined due to crumbs?

OP here- two appliances were broken (cracked) and I withheld the security deposit to replace them. I already explained what happened with the spill in the refrigerator. The oven is built in, not freestanding, so doors can’t be removed without removing the unit. The maid service tried to clean it and told me this. So I’m replacing it.

[Anonymous]

I never had issues like this, but was happy to sell my two rentals at the crazy prices right now and sleep well with the money making 5.5% in a money-market fund.

[Anonymous]

Look up “cat pee house” on TikTok. THAT is property damage that can’t be recouped. Some sticky stuff in a kitchen is not. Wish I knew who you were in real life so I could recommend my cleaning lady.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You threw out an over because of some sticky stuff and crumbs? WTF.

Roaches. Did you miss that?

Most tenants are not roach caretakers. I would know.

You sound far too sensitive and dramatic to be a landlord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just an FYI for those of you considering becoming landlords around here, and for filthy tenants.

I just had a family move out of one of my properties due to lease non-renewal. I had seen enough damage done to the property while they lived there that it wasn’t worth the rental income. I do quarterly walkthroughs.

I pulled all of the appliances out of the kitchen and found multiple sticky spills that were never cleaned and some type of food crumbs behind and inside of all of the appliances. The oven was such a mess that I had to throw it out. The sticky liquid and crumbs had fallen where they could not be cleaned safely. The interior of the refrigerator was filled with a sticky liquid that they had tried to clean but it had already seeped into the seams of the shelves so they had to be thrown out.

I also found dead roaches in these areas. The property had been treated which is why they were dead.

Tenants- your filth is your problem, not your property manager’s. This place is more disgusting than a frat house.

I'm a landlord, too, and you've got to be kidding me.

Some crumbs??

Sticky spots (that they even tried to clean?!?)

A few roaches behind appliances??

How old was the stove you had to throw away in the first place?

How on earth did you not recoup your money from their deposit?

You definitely aren't cut out to be a landlord.

This sounds like troll bait to me and if it's not, you should get out of the landlord business and get into AirBnB's.

Short term rentals are far more appropriate for someone with such ridiculously high expectations and overwhelming control issues.

BTW, don't bring this to court, the judge will laugh you out of the courtroom.

Signed,
Landlord of 18 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I also found dead roaches in these areas. The property had been treated which is why they were dead.

Sauté the roaches in ghee, serve over rice pilaf. Yum!

[Anonymous]

I am a landlord and what you are describing is annoying but nothing out of ordinary. It also sounds like you are overreacting. Kitchens get dirty. Most appliances in my kitchen have crumbs throughout the week. Yes, some end up with sticky stuff. Most of it can be cleaned. But the kitchen in your rental my just be old. Renters are hard on kitchens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the sticky liquid and crumbs fell "where they could not be cleaned safely," how did you expect the tenants to clean them up?

Yeah, I own and I know that behind my stove it's probably terrifying. Oh well!

This is not a renter/owner divide.

As a real estate agent, I can assure you that most of the kitchens I see before putting a house on the market appear to be clean but are filthy when cabinet and pantry doors are opened, range hoods are touched, and fridges are moved. Cleaners I used typically spend from 2 to 4 hours cleaning a kitchen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huh? LL here. None of that sounds terrible. You aren’t LL material, sorry. You have to learn to chill

You have to learn to read your lease.

I’m renting in the DMV and my lease clearly states that the tenants are responsible for pests that result from their belongings. It’s a clause I signed when I moved in. If your landlord doesn’t include that clause, they are novices.

I think the point is that we’re all trying to figure out why OP *threw away appliances* instead of cleaning them? Yes it sounds like withholding part of the security deposit makes sense but I’m unclear how an oven gets ruined due to crumbs?

OP here- two appliances were broken (cracked) and I withheld the security deposit to replace them. I already explained what happened with the spill in the refrigerator. The oven is built in, not freestanding, so doors can’t be removed without removing the unit. The maid service tried to clean it and told me this. So I’m replacing it.

you realize you can pull out “built in” ovens, right? they are not literally attached.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huh? LL here. None of that sounds terrible. You aren’t LL material, sorry. You have to learn to chill

You have to learn to read your lease.

I’m renting in the DMV and my lease clearly states that the tenants are responsible for pests that result from their belongings. It’s a clause I signed when I moved in. If your landlord doesn’t include that clause, they are novices.

I think the point is that we’re all trying to figure out why OP *threw away appliances* instead of cleaning them? Yes it sounds like withholding part of the security deposit makes sense but I’m unclear how an oven gets ruined due to crumbs?

OP here- two appliances were broken (cracked) and I withheld the security deposit to replace them. I already explained what happened with the spill in the refrigerator. The oven is built in, not freestanding, so doors can’t be removed without removing the unit. The maid service tried to clean it and told me this. So I’m replacing it.

you realize you can pull out “built in” ovens, right? they are not literally attached.

They have to be unattached or else you risk an electrical fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just an FYI for those of you considering becoming landlords around here, and for filthy tenants.

I just had a family move out of one of my properties due to lease non-renewal. I had seen enough damage done to the property while they lived there that it wasn’t worth the rental income. I do quarterly walkthroughs.

I pulled all of the appliances out of the kitchen and found multiple sticky spills that were never cleaned and some type of food crumbs behind and inside of all of the appliances. The oven was such a mess that I had to throw it out. The sticky liquid and crumbs had fallen where they could not be cleaned safely. The interior of the refrigerator was filled with a sticky liquid that they had tried to clean but it had already seeped into the seams of the shelves so they had to be thrown out.

I also found dead roaches in these areas. The property had been treated which is why they were dead.

Tenants- your filth is your problem, not your property manager’s. This place is more disgusting than a frat house.

I'm a landlord, too, and you've got to be kidding me.

Some crumbs??

Sticky spots (that they even tried to clean?!?)

A few roaches behind appliances??

How old was the stove you had to throw away in the first place?

How on earth did you not recoup your money from their deposit?

You definitely aren't cut out to be a landlord.

This sounds like troll bait to me and if it's not, you should get out of the landlord business and get into AirBnB's.

Short term rentals are far more appropriate for someone with such ridiculously high expectations and overwhelming control issues.

BTW, don't bring this to court, the judge will laugh you out of the courtroom.

Signed,
Landlord of 18 years.

I have far more years of real landlord experience than you, troll. Nice try.

[Anonymous]

I have had Section 8 tenants (all of them) who are cleaner than this, and that is because in order to receive government housing assistance, they agree to regular visits with a social worker (or similar) as well as a property inspector funded by the local jurisdiction who visits unannounced regularly.

[Anonymous]

OP is just incredibly dumb. Their maid doesn't want to clean (not at the rate OP is paying), so she tells OP it can't be cleaned, and OP believes her and throws the appliance out. Ha!

[Anonymous]

I thought this was going to be about the tenants leaving a smell that can never go away without going to the drywall, etc. That would not be recouped. And it happens.