T25 schools where ED/REA doesn't confer an advantage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about Yale? Does SCEA give an advantage?

Well, just look at the data. The dirty schools are Harvard, Penn, BU, NYU, Stanford, Columbia, Miami and USC. Add the large percentage of international admissions. And just look at who's admitted.

Your kid from Middle Class High School in Suburban USA is unlikely to be an admit.

I think Yale is a fairly honest admit though. The genuinely smart schools tend to be MIT, CMU, Vanderbilt, Brown, Rice, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, CalTech, Harvey Mudd, Olin, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Williams, West Point, and Annapolis.

And there are a lot of really smart kids at Michigan, UVA, Georgia Tech, and the UCs.

How to play the ED game is going to be situational. Personally, I don't think it's worth throwing that card at HYPSM.

And no, SCEA at Yale isn't going to help even though it's not a horrible school.

If you have a smart kid, be informed. And be strategic.

Every family with a talented kid needs to pay attention. Yale isn't evil. But you need to pay attention. Roughly 58,000 applicants. 2100 admits. And those 58,000 applicants aren't idiots. Choose wisely. The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about Yale? Does SCEA give an advantage?

The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.

Why is that? This doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And ED2 at vandy is a scam

I wouldn't say scam exactly. But it's not remotely advantageous for a typical applicant. ED2 is where Vanderbilt picks up those that were deferred or rejected by MIT, Stanford, and similar. I just took a look at their RD acceptance rate. It's 3.7 percent. ED2 is not much better. They are particular about who they are picking up in ED2. Do not use ED2 as a strategy for Vanderbilt. If you really want Vanderbilt and you have the stats and ECs, go ED1. Or try your luck with regular decision while applying to all the other selective schools. But Vanderbilt is very particular about what they are looking for in ED2. And it's not randoms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about Yale? Does SCEA give an advantage?

Well, just look at the data. The dirty schools are Harvard, Penn, BU, NYU, Stanford, Columbia, Miami and USC. Add the large percentage of international admissions. And just look at who's admitted.

Your kid from Middle Class High School in Suburban USA is unlikely to be an admit.

I think Yale is a fairly honest admit though. The genuinely smart schools tend to be MIT, CMU, Vanderbilt, Brown, Rice, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, CalTech, Harvey Mudd, Olin, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Williams, West Point, and Annapolis.

And there are a lot of really smart kids at Michigan, UVA, Georgia Tech, and the UCs.

How to play the ED game is going to be situational. Personally, I don't think it's worth throwing that card at HYPSM.

And no, SCEA at Yale isn't going to help even though it's not a horrible school.

If you have a smart kid, be informed. And be strategic.

Every family with a talented kid needs to pay attention. Yale isn't evil. But you need to pay attention. Roughly 58,000 applicants. 2100 admits. And those 58,000 applicants aren't idiots. Choose wisely. The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.

My Ivy freshman was an ED reject. Lots of these stories tbh.

Make sure your RD list is well thought out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about Yale? Does SCEA give an advantage?

Well, just look at the data. The dirty schools are Harvard, Penn, BU, NYU, Stanford, Columbia, Miami and USC. Add the large percentage of international admissions. And just look at who's admitted.

Your kid from Middle Class High School in Suburban USA is unlikely to be an admit.

I think Yale is a fairly honest admit though. The genuinely smart schools tend to be MIT, CMU, Vanderbilt, Brown, Rice, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, CalTech, Harvey Mudd, Olin, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Williams, West Point, and Annapolis.

And there are a lot of really smart kids at Michigan, UVA, Georgia Tech, and the UCs.

How to play the ED game is going to be situational. Personally, I don't think it's worth throwing that card at HYPSM.

And no, SCEA at Yale isn't going to help even though it's not a horrible school.

If you have a smart kid, be informed. And be strategic.

Every family with a talented kid needs to pay attention. Yale isn't evil. But you need to pay attention. Roughly 58,000 applicants. 2100 admits. And those 58,000 applicants aren't idiots. Choose wisely. The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.

Please don’t little this person seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about Yale? Does SCEA give an advantage?

The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.

Why is that? This doesn't make any sense.

Because it isn’t true

[Anonymous]

“The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.”

This makes a lot of intuitive sense given the landscape. Which makes me wonder—should a kid with excellent grades/scores/ECs forgo ED at T5-T20 altogether, and apply widely in RD? Isn’t ED the way the Chicagos and Emorys lock in the risk adverse kids with excellent records?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about Yale? Does SCEA give an advantage?

Well, just look at the data. The dirty schools are Harvard, Penn, BU, NYU, Stanford, Columbia, Miami and USC. Add the large percentage of international admissions. And just look at who's admitted.

Your kid from Middle Class High School in Suburban USA is unlikely to be an admit.

I think Yale is a fairly honest admit though. The genuinely smart schools tend to be MIT, CMU, Vanderbilt, Brown, Rice, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, CalTech, Harvey Mudd, Olin, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Williams, West Point, and Annapolis.

And there are a lot of really smart kids at Michigan, UVA, Georgia Tech, and the UCs.

How to play the ED game is going to be situational. Personally, I don't think it's worth throwing that card at HYPSM.

And no, SCEA at Yale isn't going to help even though it's not a horrible school.

If you have a smart kid, be informed. And be strategic.

Every family with a talented kid needs to pay attention. Yale isn't evil. But you need to pay attention. Roughly 58,000 applicants. 2100 admits. And those 58,000 applicants aren't idiots. Choose wisely. The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.

Yale not a horrible school. Per DCUM. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The odd thing these days is that most Ivy admits are going to be rejects from their ED schools.”

This makes a lot of intuitive sense given the landscape. Which makes me wonder—should a kid with excellent grades/scores/ECs forgo ED at T5-T20 altogether, and apply widely in RD? Isn’t ED the way the Chicagos and Emorys lock in the risk adverse kids with excellent records?

If there's a clear favorite, in T20, then REA/ED. If not, run the table.
But remember, your competition is your HS peers.....
Sometimes its good to get out in front of someone close to you.

[Anonymous]

SEA is the worst IMO. adds very little benefit and kid can be left with no EA to ease the mind

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SEA is the worst IMO. adds very little benefit and kid can be left with no EA to ease the mind

That isn’t correct. Can still apply to public EA, which is a fair amount of top schools. Can’t do private EA which is a very small group of schools, the most notable being USC, and the EA acceptance rate there lower than RD.

[Anonymous]

USC is not more notable than MIT or CalTech or ND or Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SEA is the worst IMO. adds very little benefit and kid can be left with no EA to ease the mind

That isn’t correct. Can still apply to public EA, which is a fair amount of top schools. Can’t do private EA which is a very small group of schools, the most notable being USC, and the EA acceptance rate there lower than RD.

At least some (I haven't checked all) of the SCEA schools have an exception that carves out USC. You can apply SCEA and also EA to a private if applying EA to the private is necessary to be eligible for a merit scholarship. My understanding is that the history of this exception started with Stanford, so that applicants could also be eligible for merit specifically at USC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USC is not more notable than MIT or CalTech or ND or Georgetown.

Applying early isn’t an admissions advantage at any of these schools, except perhaps ND.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SEA is the worst IMO. adds very little benefit and kid can be left with no EA to ease the mind

That isn’t correct. Can still apply to public EA, which is a fair amount of top schools. Can’t do private EA which is a very small group of schools, the most notable being USC, and the EA acceptance rate there lower than RD.

Why would this happen? Usually EA acceptance rates are higher than ED.