the coloring of America

[Anonymous]

Any posters live in the dc metro area? In MoCo we have a big and diverse latino and black immigrant population. They are religious, but typically catholic. Rather, they are conservative Christian sects.

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This is why local schools ABANDONED Halloween parties (or any reference to Halloween).

Catholics don’t have a problem with Halloween. But the conservative Christian offshoots embraced by newer Latinos and black immigrants are very rigid. They are anti-gay as well.

ICYMI: ditto for conservative Muslims.

I’m a big fan of melting pots, but I prefer assimilation to our mainstream American culture.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile abortion is becoming more available in Latin American countries . . .

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/mexico-abortion-legal-social-cultural-stigma-remains-rcna123029

[Anonymous]

Abortion is available upon request up to 24 weeks in Colombia.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/05/10/1097570784/colombia-legalized-abortions-for-the-first-24-weeks-of-pregnancy-a-backlash-ensu

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's actually funny, because the large Hispanic population that's growing is VERY Catholic, VERY patriarchal, and can be very conservative. Many Hispanics are business owners and detest high taxes. They also come from cultures that push very strong traditional family values, and they're way more anti-lbgtq in many parts of central America where Christianity and Catholicism are much stronger. Also, Hispanics helped vote in GOP Bush and Abbott in TX. It just showed you how they eventually establish themselves as very conservative traditional family value types over time. It's going to be so funny when all of this backfires on the Dems. As they always say, be careful what you wish for. Dems will get their diversity alright, but it probably isn't going to turn out the way they intended.

The majority of Hispanics still vote Dem.

First generation immigrants are always liberal. But look at Italians now. They're often very conservative. Hispanics are not going to give up Catholicism over 1 or 2 generations as they become more established. They remain very very Christian and family oriented. Many eventually own businesses. Go look at a state like TX where they have lived for a lot longer than most states. They vote very conservatively.

Traditional Catholicism is very aligned with the democratic party. So is traditional Christianity. The problem is the Evangelicals and Opus Dei, who are fringe and support a Christian Nationalist state. These are two very different things.

Lololol.

Because the anti-abortion and homosexuality is a sin stances of Catholicism are sooooo aligned with liberal Democratic dogma. You're absolutely delusional pp.

Pp said traditional Catholicism. Which is less abortion and culture wars and more love and help the poor, the sick the immigrant. Even today, the majority of Catholics vote Dem.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's actually funny, because the large Hispanic population that's growing is VERY Catholic, VERY patriarchal, and can be very conservative. Many Hispanics are business owners and detest high taxes. They also come from cultures that push very strong traditional family values, and they're way more anti-lbgtq in many parts of central America where Christianity and Catholicism are much stronger. Also, Hispanics helped vote in GOP Bush and Abbott in TX. It just showed you how they eventually establish themselves as very conservative traditional family value types over time. It's going to be so funny when all of this backfires on the Dems. As they always say, be careful what you wish for. Dems will get their diversity alright, but it probably isn't going to turn out the way they intended.

The majority of Hispanics still vote Dem.

First generation immigrants are always liberal. But look at Italians now. They're often very conservative. Hispanics are not going to give up Catholicism over 1 or 2 generations as they become more established. They remain very very Christian and family oriented. Many eventually own businesses. Go look at a state like TX where they have lived for a lot longer than most states. They vote very conservatively.

Traditional Catholicism is very aligned with the democratic party. So is traditional Christianity. The problem is the Evangelicals and Opus Dei, who are fringe and support a Christian Nationalist state. These are two very different things.

Lololol.

Because the anti-abortion and homosexuality is a sin stances of Catholicism are sooooo aligned with liberal Democratic dogma. You're absolutely delusional pp.

No, the PP is correct, at least Catholics and the Democratic Party of the past. It was about supporting policies that benefited the poor and working class. If I meet a Catholic now, I wouldn't be able to assume their political persuasion, mostly because of the anti-abortion stance of most of the Republican Party draws in a number of Catholics.

I would like to think many Catholics would support policies that ease the burden of others, but it seems to me that a lot of Catholics are more interested in judging others for their actions and punishing them by withholding support. Maybe these people aren't practicing Catholics, though. (I'm a practicing Catholic, FWIW.)

No sadly you are right. My mother is super Catholic/ never misses mass and definitely prioritizes abortion and judgment over social welfare issues. I left the Church over the hypocrisy. She is devastated that she won’t see my or my unbaptized kids in heaven (yes, I’m fully aware she probably kitchen sink baptized th we m as kids). SMH.

[Anonymous]

How does this help misanthropes like me?

[Anonymous]

I grew up going to mass twice a week because my parents were super Catholic (I had many siblings, yes). I was confirmed in the church.

I have not been to church for decades now and consider myself agnostic. Only one of my siblings has a peripheral connection to the church. The rest of us are like me. We were over churched quite frankly. Religion has zero to do with how we each vote (gender is a much, much bigger factor).

"Catholic" women are not voting for Trump in droves. I'm pretty sure of that.

[Anonymous]

Lots of interesting intersecting issues at play. Will take decades to sort out.

As white men are marginalized more and more, there will be less of a common enemy for Democrats. That was at the heart of the affirmative action cases.

The interplay between politics, marriage and child rearing will be interesting. Conservatives are having more children, or perhaps it is more accurate to say that having children is more aligned with conservative values presently. We have no idea how it plays out.

It isn’t a given that as minority groups take power they will continue progressive liberal values (see Michigan townships where Muslim dominated city councils have scaled back on Pride celebrations).

I don’t think a coloring of America leads in a straight line to progressive goals. It will be largely dependent on secularizing immigrant populations and I suspect changing birthing patterns will also be relevant.

-A latino.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of interesting intersecting issues at play. Will take decades to sort out.

As white men are marginalized more and more, there will be less of a common enemy for Democrats. That was at the heart of the affirmative action cases.

The interplay between politics, marriage and child rearing will be interesting. Conservatives are having more children, or perhaps it is more accurate to say that having children is more aligned with conservative values presently. We have no idea how it plays out.

It isn’t a given that as minority groups take power they will continue progressive liberal values (see Michigan townships where Muslim dominated city councils have scaled back on Pride celebrations).

I don’t think a coloring of America leads in a straight line to progressive goals. It will be largely dependent on secularizing immigrant populations and I suspect changing birthing patterns will also be relevant.

-A latino.

Wait so the plan really is for white men to become “marginalized more and more”? Isn’t that exactly what replacement theory is all about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's actually funny, because the large Hispanic population that's growing is VERY Catholic, VERY patriarchal, and can be very conservative. Many Hispanics are business owners and detest high taxes. They also come from cultures that push very strong traditional family values, and they're way more anti-lbgtq in many parts of central America where Christianity and Catholicism are much stronger. Also, Hispanics helped vote in GOP Bush and Abbott in TX. It just showed you how they eventually establish themselves as very conservative traditional family value types over time. It's going to be so funny when all of this backfires on the Dems. As they always say, be careful what you wish for. Dems will get their diversity alright, but it probably isn't going to turn out the way they intended.

The majority of Hispanics still vote Dem.

First generation immigrants are always liberal. But look at Italians now. They're often very conservative. Hispanics are not going to give up Catholicism over 1 or 2 generations as they become more established. They remain very very Christian and family oriented. Many eventually own businesses. Go look at a state like TX where they have lived for a lot longer than most states. They vote very conservatively.

Traditional Catholicism is very aligned with the democratic party. So is traditional Christianity. The problem is the Evangelicals and Opus Dei, who are fringe and support a Christian Nationalist state. These are two very different things.

Lololol.

Because the anti-abortion and homosexuality is a sin stances of Catholicism are sooooo aligned with liberal Democratic dogma. You're absolutely delusional pp.

Pp said traditional Catholicism. Which is less abortion and culture wars and more love and help the poor, the sick the immigrant. Even today, the majority of Catholics vote Dem.

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Google Catholic NETWORK, the antipoverty/social justice lobby group run by nuns. Remember nuns on the bus? Cool nuns reminding the world of what real catholic values are. Their current advocacy focuses on reminding people not to be single issue voters because party policies matter.

But the new breed of Christian conservatives are not American Catholics. They are immigrants whose kids will be first Gen American or they are the first Gen themselves and they are born-again or a baptist offshoot or something else. And they are very devout and very conservative.

[Anonymous]

I think the OP is emphasizing impressive racial diversity without addressing the bigger issue: class/socioeconomics.

Yes, it’s fantastic that the legal profession has diversified to the point that the op’s referral network includes a rainbow of people. That’s progress that should be celebrated (and a real world reminder that US has come a very long way and isn’t as racist as many imagine…particularly compared with other countries).

The real divide remains with class: it comes down to money, not skin color.

The Haves will always be fearful of the Have Nots. And truthfully, the Have Nots tend to create the most issues and drain resources.

ICYMI: poor white Americans and loot black Americans are perhaps the most anti-immigrant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the OP is emphasizing impressive racial diversity without addressing the bigger issue: class/socioeconomics.

Yes, it’s fantastic that the legal profession has diversified to the point that the op’s referral network includes a rainbow of people. That’s progress that should be celebrated (and a real world reminder that US has come a very long way and isn’t as racist as many imagine…particularly compared with other countries).

The real divide remains with class: it comes down to money, not skin color.

The Haves will always be fearful of the Have Nots. And truthfully, the Have Nots tend to create the most issues and drain resources.

ICYMI: poor white Americans and loot black Americans are perhaps the most anti-immigrant.

I think everyone should be The Haves

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of interesting intersecting issues at play. Will take decades to sort out.

As white men are marginalized more and more, there will be less of a common enemy for Democrats. That was at the heart of the affirmative action cases.

The interplay between politics, marriage and child rearing will be interesting. Conservatives are having more children, or perhaps it is more accurate to say that having children is more aligned with conservative values presently. We have no idea how it plays out.

It isn’t a given that as minority groups take power they will continue progressive liberal values (see Michigan townships where Muslim dominated city councils have scaled back on Pride celebrations).

I don’t think a coloring of America leads in a straight line to progressive goals. It will be largely dependent on secularizing immigrant populations and I suspect changing birthing patterns will also be relevant.

-A latino.

Wait so the plan really is for white men to become “marginalized more and more”? Isn’t that exactly what replacement theory is all about?

+1 exactly.

More and more people will be multiracial, like my kids. We just need to all be some shade of tan/brown (my kids are half Asian) so we can stop with this racist BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the OP is emphasizing impressive racial diversity without addressing the bigger issue: class/socioeconomics.

Yes, it’s fantastic that the legal profession has diversified to the point that the op’s referral network includes a rainbow of people. That’s progress that should be celebrated (and a real world reminder that US has come a very long way and isn’t as racist as many imagine…particularly compared with other countries).

The real divide remains with class: it comes down to money, not skin color.

The Haves will always be fearful of the Have Nots. And truthfully, the Have Nots tend to create the most issues and drain resources.

ICYMI: poor white Americans and loot black Americans are perhaps the most anti-immigrant.

Bunch of billionaires wrote a letter to the UN telling countries to raise their taxes on the rich because they knew that a world where the gap between to the haves and have nots gets too big becomes an unstable world.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/17/mega-rich-renew-call-on-global-leaders-at-davos-to-tax-our-extreme-wealth.html

[Anonymous]

^world economic forum, not the UN.