No more Cardozo Middle; feeders to go to FS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't understand how they will fit into FS (maybe drop some pk classes and have a preference at Stevens?) but this should make a nice sized cohort of kids with enough at various academic levels that everyone has peers. Now the big question is whether they will send all 6 feeders to Euclid or squander this by splitting them back up.

I didn't even realize that this was on the table for Euclid. I thought the feeders were already determined? (Seaton, Garrison, Cleveland)

The feeders are already determined. SWWFS will continue to have its own middle and Ross and Thomson will continue to feed to it. The other schools will feed to the new Euclid middle school when it opens. All of that was covered by the boundary review process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Garrison families asked for this. And apparently, they get whatever they want.

Just hope this doesn't ruin SWW@F-S, the very solid middle school my child is already bound for because I actually bothered to think about the middle school feeder in picking an elementary. That's a lot of kids to absorb at once for a very small middle school.

Oh calm down. It's only for a few years until the new Euclid MS opens. The SWWFS principal was aware of and endorsed the plan while families were advocating for it. And the Garrison PTO has been involved for years with Cardozo and supporting their PTO and mutual aid groups; there was an active push for cohorts of Garrison families to move there together before DCPS announced they were going to stop investing in and then close Cardozo MS.

Parents across schools working together to successfully advocate for their kids within DCPS is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

Unfortunately, these kids will never get a chance to go to Euclid. They are just sending in the current 1st graders as the only class in the school, and then will bring in new classes behind them. I am really afraid it will fare much worse as a result of that choice, but time will tell I guess.

And to answer your other q, my understandings is that the current swing space is going to get renovated before it opens as Euclid.

[Anonymous]

Bumping this - anyone else have more info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll state the ugly: white families are in the elementaries and are willing to go to SWW@FS but not Cardozo. It’s clear that DCPS is trying to create pathways for white families. Their meta assumption is that if they create places where white families will join that they’re doing something net good for DC.

Its not just white families, but wealthier families. I don't know any professional minority parents with any means who'd send their kids to Cardozo either. There is a reason Bowser's neighborhood still feeds into JR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

Unfortunately, these kids will never get a chance to go to Euclid. They are just sending in the current 1st graders as the only class in the school, and then will bring in new classes behind them. I am really afraid it will fare much worse as a result of that choice, but time will tell I guess.

And to answer your other q, my understandings is that the current swing space is going to get renovated before it opens as Euclid.

Same. From our feeder, there is a lot of excitement about FS and hesitation about Euclid. Maybe the parents can create pressure to make Euclid particularly appealing (and to offer more than Cardozo Middle did).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

Unfortunately, these kids will never get a chance to go to Euclid. They are just sending in the current 1st graders as the only class in the school, and then will bring in new classes behind them. I am really afraid it will fare much worse as a result of that choice, but time will tell I guess.

And to answer your other q, my understandings is that the current swing space is going to get renovated before it opens as Euclid.

Same. From our feeder, there is a lot of excitement about FS and hesitation about Euclid. Maybe the parents can create pressure to make Euclid particularly appealing (and to offer more than Cardozo Middle did).

As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

Unfortunately, these kids will never get a chance to go to Euclid. They are just sending in the current 1st graders as the only class in the school, and then will bring in new classes behind them. I am really afraid it will fare much worse as a result of that choice, but time will tell I guess.

And to answer your other q, my understandings is that the current swing space is going to get renovated before it opens as Euclid.

Same. From our feeder, there is a lot of excitement about FS and hesitation about Euclid. Maybe the parents can create pressure to make Euclid particularly appealing (and to offer more than Cardozo Middle did).

As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

Yes, people who stick it out at Seaton, Garrison, and Cleveland are truly the 1 percent! What on earth do you mean, "character"? And it's a little odd for you to be so concerned about that when FS accepts a ton of lottery applicants anyway, many from those very same feeder schools.

The reason this is happening is parent advocacy, but the bigger reason under the radar is that in the long term, Cardozo high school needs more space. DCPS has been projecting overcrowding there for a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

Believe me, if you are at all representative of the kinds of parents at FS, we will not want to stay long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

Unfortunately, these kids will never get a chance to go to Euclid. They are just sending in the current 1st graders as the only class in the school, and then will bring in new classes behind them. I am really afraid it will fare much worse as a result of that choice, but time will tell I guess.

And to answer your other q, my understandings is that the current swing space is going to get renovated before it opens as Euclid.

Same. From our feeder, there is a lot of excitement about FS and hesitation about Euclid. Maybe the parents can create pressure to make Euclid particularly appealing (and to offer more than Cardozo Middle did).

As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

Gross. Also, the not-so-secret secret is that FS already accepts all the Seaton kids who apply, and there are more Seaton kids there than Ross kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

Unfortunately, these kids will never get a chance to go to Euclid. They are just sending in the current 1st graders as the only class in the school, and then will bring in new classes behind them. I am really afraid it will fare much worse as a result of that choice, but time will tell I guess.

And to answer your other q, my understandings is that the current swing space is going to get renovated before it opens as Euclid.

Same. From our feeder, there is a lot of excitement about FS and hesitation about Euclid. Maybe the parents can create pressure to make Euclid particularly appealing (and to offer more than Cardozo Middle did).

As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

Gross. Also, the not-so-secret secret is that FS already accepts all the Seaton kids who apply, and there are more Seaton kids there than Ross kids.

It's bizarre! Seaton parents are wealthy and people who live IB for FS are not? My dude, Ross Elementary is not exactly a bastion of the common man!

You can go right ahead and look at the intake here. https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways I think you'll conclude there's a real variety of schools sending rising 6th graders, such as Hearst and Maury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify years here? Or post any links or text of emails where we can learn more?

We are currently a Tubman family. As a previous poster noted, we have the swing space at Banneker for the next two years (24-25 and 25-26). Someone earlier up thread said the first cohort of kids at Euclid Middle School would be current first graders, but someone else said it was right after Tubman’s time there, which would be 26-27, but current 1st graders will only be on 4th grade then. Is another school going to swing there in between?

Additional question - while it’s not well publicized, the kids at Tubman who feed into CHEC for middle school (and presumably the other elementaries that feed into CHEC middle) have the option of Cardozo, without lotterying, if they don’t want Spanish immersion. Will we maintain that right for SWW@FS and the new Euclid Middle School? That’d be game changing for us and great for Tubman, which has been improving a lot recently and is about to have brand new building, too.

Honestly, the brief stopover at SWW@FS is genius. The problem with Euclid was always going to be that first year of parents not wanting to take a risk on an unproven school and continuing to flee for other middle schools as the case is now. But SWW@FS is an established, solid school. People will stay for that, and if you’ve got an established cohort of 6th and 7th graders doing well there, they’d be able to all move to Euclid en mass.

One good first year with a cohort (even a small one) of kids testing on/above grade level and Euclid will flourish. One bad first year that doesn’t get that? It’ll be as bad as Cardozo in 5 years. You gotta get off on the right foot, and the SWW@FS stopover is a creative way to up the odds of doing that.

Unfortunately, these kids will never get a chance to go to Euclid. They are just sending in the current 1st graders as the only class in the school, and then will bring in new classes behind them. I am really afraid it will fare much worse as a result of that choice, but time will tell I guess.

And to answer your other q, my understandings is that the current swing space is going to get renovated before it opens as Euclid.

Same. From our feeder, there is a lot of excitement about FS and hesitation about Euclid. Maybe the parents can create pressure to make Euclid particularly appealing (and to offer more than Cardozo Middle did).

As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

Gross. Also, the not-so-secret secret is that FS already accepts all the Seaton kids who apply, and there are more Seaton kids there than Ross kids.

It's bizarre! Seaton parents are wealthy and people who live IB for FS are not? My dude, Ross Elementary is not exactly a bastion of the common man!

You can go right ahead and look at the intake here. https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways I think you'll conclude there's a real variety of schools sending rising 6th graders, such as Hearst and Maury.

The attitude from the "kid headed to FS" person is illuminating, and honestly awful. The school has the space to grow by more than 100 students now that it's in the new building, and the plan was always to expand once the reno was over.

I'm just thankful that children tend to be more accepting and open minded than their parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

Believe me, if you are at all representative of the kinds of parents at FS, we will not want to stay long.

Current SWWFS parent here. This attitude is not representative of the parent community. And PP appears to think that Garrison, Seaton, and Cleveland are full of wealthy white students, which is incorrect, as others have already pointed out.

I think this temporary move will probably be fine, but it’s true that absorbing kids from three additional schools is going to be a big change for the middle school, even considering the added space from the renovation. I don’t think it was projected that all of the extra capacity would go to middle school students, or that those seats would be filled so quickly. It would be good for everyone if DCPS communicated plans for implementing and supporting this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
As someone whose kid is already headed for FS, I worry that these families will petition to stay and it will change the character of the school.

It's a ton of disruption for FS, all to appease some wealthy families in center city when kids all over DC are stuck in failing middle schools, with no Euclid on the horizon for them. Why do parents in Logan Circle get this kind of attention and an out to a much better middle?

Believe me, if you are at all representative of the kinds of parents at FS, we will not want to stay long.

Current SWWFS parent here. This attitude is not representative of the parent community. And PP appears to think that Garrison, Seaton, and Cleveland are full of wealthy white students, which is incorrect, as others have already pointed out.

I think this temporary move will probably be fine, but it’s true that absorbing kids from three additional schools is going to be a big change for the middle school, even considering the added space from the renovation. I don’t think it was projected that all of the extra capacity would go to middle school students, or that those seats would be filled so quickly. It would be good for everyone if DCPS communicated plans for implementing and supporting this.

Is it going to be more kids, or does this just mean less spots for kids from other OOB schools? Remember, you have a lot of kids from these three schools already, and not all of them will want to go.