Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet

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Anonymous wrote:Another few NVSL Qs: When team reps exchange the line-ups by 8 am Friday, do they share what events each swimmer will swim, or do they just give a list of the swimmers attending the meet? If the latter, then do the team reps/coaches formally assign the events once they see who is swimming from the other team? Is there a penalty for putting someone down when the team rep absolutely knows they are not able to swim (ie, is it “fraud”)?

The firm entry lists are events. It’s not fraud to list someone who you know can’t swim. It’s actually explicitly encouraged if there is any chance the swimmer will be available. You can substitute a slower swimmer for a faster swimmer but you cannot substitute a faster swimmer for a slower swimmer. So you always list the faster swimmer even if you think it unlikely they will make the meet

So if the team rep sees that the other team’s super fast swimmer is swimming x and y event, they are not permitted to then switch our team’s super fast swimmer to x and y? Once they have exchanged the firm entry list with the events, those are the swimmers in that event *unless* they sub a different swimmer in? Do the alternates have to appear on the firm entry list as alternates, or does the team have the full bench from which to sub out so long as the swimmer is slower? In other words, can they move swimmer A, listed in breast and fly on the firm entry list, to free and back while moving swimmer B to breast and fly?

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Anonymous wrote:Another few NVSL Qs: When team reps exchange the line-ups by 8 am Friday, do they share what events each swimmer will swim, or do they just give a list of the swimmers attending the meet? If the latter, then do the team reps/coaches formally assign the events once they see who is swimming from the other team? Is there a penalty for putting someone down when the team rep absolutely knows they are not able to swim (ie, is it “fraud”)?

The firm entry lists are events. It’s not fraud to list someone who you know can’t swim. It’s actually explicitly encouraged if there is any chance the swimmer will be available. You can substitute a slower swimmer for a faster swimmer but you cannot substitute a faster swimmer for a slower swimmer. So you always list the faster swimmer even if you think it unlikely they will make the meet

So if the team rep sees that the other team’s super fast swimmer is swimming x and y event, they are not permitted to then switch our team’s super fast swimmer to x and y? Once they have exchanged the firm entry list with the events, those are the swimmers in that event *unless* they sub a different swimmer in? Do the alternates have to appear on the firm entry list as alternates, or does the team have the full bench from which to sub out so long as the swimmer is slower? In other words, can they move swimmer A, listed in breast and fly on the firm entry list, to free and back while moving swimmer B to breast and fly?

No, you can only sub for absence so if swimmer a is in free and gets subbed swimmer a can’t swim anything else in the meet.

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Anonymous wrote:There is software that can help with matchups.

This. I thought there was software that ran projections

Cool! I was waiting for someone to say (not sarcastically) that ChatGPT/AI would do the work.

Colonial Swim League has had a tool on their website for at least a couple of years now. You choose the two teams and it spits out the optimal lineup based on times from previous A meets. I don’t think it will use time from time trials, so not as useful for the first A meet.

NVSL has that too, but it isn’t super helpful in seeding the first meet because swimmers have aged up, it’s been a year since NVSL times, and (we are in D1) all the A Meet swimmers are club swimmers (except possibly some 8Us) so they improve rapidly. Recent club times matter quite a bit. This year, there are swimmers from D1 at Olympic Trials, so that’s a bit messy with the planning. D1 swimmers typically schedule vacations around A meets (it’s actually in our parent notice, which seems insane when looking from the outside in).

I call BS on the idea that D1 swimmers (multiple from a team) are at Olympic trials- unless they are spectating. PVS lists the swimmers from the potomac valley who have qualified for Olympic trials, its not that many, and several of them are older than 18. https://www.pvswim.org/athletes/2024-Olympic-Trials-Qualifiers.pdf

Of those who swim in the NVSL and are still eligible to swim this summer (e.g. 18 or under)
one swims for Great Falls- which I think is division 10.
one swims for Fairfax, Division 7.
one swims for Old Keane Mill, new to D1 this year.
one swims for Arlington Forest, division 9.

I know a D1 swimmer who is at Olympic trials for a sport other than swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:Another few NVSL Qs: When team reps exchange the line-ups by 8 am Friday, do they share what events each swimmer will swim, or do they just give a list of the swimmers attending the meet? If the latter, then do the team reps/coaches formally assign the events once they see who is swimming from the other team? Is there a penalty for putting someone down when the team rep absolutely knows they are not able to swim (ie, is it “fraud”)?

The firm entry lists are events. It’s not fraud to list someone who you know can’t swim. It’s actually explicitly encouraged if there is any chance the swimmer will be available. You can substitute a slower swimmer for a faster swimmer but you cannot substitute a faster swimmer for a slower swimmer. So you always list the faster swimmer even if you think it unlikely they will make the meet

So if the team rep sees that the other team’s super fast swimmer is swimming x and y event, they are not permitted to then switch our team’s super fast swimmer to x and y? Once they have exchanged the firm entry list with the events, those are the swimmers in that event *unless* they sub a different swimmer in? Do the alternates have to appear on the firm entry list as alternates, or does the team have the full bench from which to sub out so long as the swimmer is slower? In other words, can they move swimmer A, listed in breast and fly on the firm entry list, to free and back while moving swimmer B to breast and fly?

No, you can only sub for absence so if swimmer a is in free and gets subbed swimmer a can’t swim anything else in the meet.

+1. That's why there's a scratch meeting before the meet starts. It's not like basketball or.soccer with real-time substitutions. The only last-minute thing on our team is that we don't name our relays in advance (which is allowed either way) because the coaches take on-day meet times into account when making those lineups.