Should a swimmer do IAS (NVSL) and NCSA Summer Champs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
My swimmer would like to do both but I think that IAS is a long day in the sun and then to add travel, etc, will compromise performance. Does anyone have experience with this? Good arguments either way?

What’s your plan? Have your swimmer fly home Friday night (what if they final?), not swim Saturday at NCSAs, fly back to Indy Saturday night, swim Sunday and fly back home Monday?

It would be a huge nope from me! All that time and money going back and forth for a Rec level meet? Forget a few hours in the sun! What about all that time sitting around airports and squished into a germy plane?

Some of these posters responding are crazy…

* you can’t compare NVSL scm times to lcm/scy times
* Olympians didn’t skip a summer champs meet for all stars (conger swam MCSL which in the past had all stars the weekend prior to the start of NCSAs).
* There are sometimes fast swimmers at the all star meet bc swimmers skip a summer club champs meet for various reasons (leaving for college soon after)
* for the poster saying these swimmers can get lcm times earlier in the summer clearly have little understanding about the training cycle for swimming. Best times are going to happen when they are rested and tapered at the end of July.
* does your swimmer only swim 100s and the 200im? We are in MC so not sure what events are done in NVSL. Hopefully your daughter is not a distance swimmer.

Another option depending on your club team would be to go to sectionals that is after all stars. There are still some fast swimmers there and she could easily do both. Plus she’d get in an extra week of training. But I would check with your daughters coach about her options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is not one magic meet that matters for college recruiting.

Correct, but there is a meet that has an absolute 0 chance of mattering for college recruiting and that is Summer League All-Stars

But you could post fast times for college at other lc meets that are not the same weekend as all stars. It’s not complicated.

Says the parent who probably expects their 16 year old female swimmer to drop time in their best event at October Open.

There isn’t a single somewhat decent club coach that will ever adjust their season plan for a swimmer to go faster earlier in the season because they wants to do summer league allstars vs the club’s championship meet lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
My swimmer would like to do both but I think that IAS is a long day in the sun and then to add travel, etc, will compromise performance. Does anyone have experience with this? Good arguments either way?

What’s your plan? Have your swimmer fly home Friday night (what if they final?), not swim Saturday at NCSAs, fly back to Indy Saturday night, swim Sunday and fly back home Monday?

It would be a huge nope from me! All that time and money going back and forth for a Rec level meet? Forget a few hours in the sun! What about all that time sitting around airports and squished into a germy plane?

Some of these posters responding are crazy…

* you can’t compare NVSL scm times to lcm/scy times
* Olympians didn’t skip a summer champs meet for all stars (conger swam MCSL which in the past had all stars the weekend prior to the start of NCSAs).
* There are sometimes fast swimmers at the all star meet bc swimmers skip a summer club champs meet for various reasons (leaving for college soon after)
* for the poster saying these swimmers can get lcm times earlier in the summer clearly have little understanding about the training cycle for swimming. Best times are going to happen when they are rested and tapered at the end of July.
* does your swimmer only swim 100s and the 200im? We are in MC so not sure what events are done in NVSL. Hopefully your daughter is not a distance swimmer.

Another option depending on your club team would be to go to sectionals that is after all stars. There are still some fast swimmers there and she could easily do both. Plus she’d get in an extra week of training. But I would check with your daughters coach about her options.

Totally agree with this post. My elite swimmer (swimming D1 and will be swimming at Trials) can attest that going from SCY to LCM is hard (not to mention summer swim of SCM). Getting a cut time earlier in the LC season isn't reasonable for most swimmers. If my swimmer were faced with a conflict, they would have had to discuss with the coach and the answer may have depended on which summer. Senior year summer before college -- pick the fun All Star meet. Sophomore/ junior year when being recruited they would have chosen Summer Juniors or NCSA.

But the idea that a swimmer, regardless of age, could do both in one weekend/ 4 day meet period is ridiculous just based on travel alone.

Colleges do NOT look at SCM times from summer swim (just like they don't care about IMX!). But if your swimmer does not want to swim in college, then have fun and do All Stars.

[Anonymous]

Colleges also don’t look at LCM times that much. SCY success butters their bread. As posters have noted on other threads, there are only a handful of high school age locals going to trials. Of the tens of thousands of serious clubs swimmers in the area, trials is never in the cards for 99% of them. Athletes should prioritize fun instead of fixating on getting LCM times colleges don’t care about. But go drop that 200 fly time .5 in LCM so you can go swim D3 just like you were going to do anyway (and pay 80,000 a year to do it!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges also don’t look at LCM times that much. SCY success butters their bread. As posters have noted on other threads, there are only a handful of high school age locals going to trials. Of the tens of thousands of serious clubs swimmers in the area, trials is never in the cards for 99% of them. Athletes should prioritize fun instead of fixating on getting LCM times colleges don’t care about. But go drop that 200 fly time .5 in LCM so you can go swim D3 just like you were going to do anyway (and pay 80,000 a year to do it!)

Ah just another idiot thinking that a going D3 means you are worthless, yet there are a bunch of D3 programs are actually equal to or better than many D1 schools in swimming AND they are way better than the D1 schools academically too

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges also don’t look at LCM times that much. SCY success butters their bread. As posters have noted on other threads, there are only a handful of high school age locals going to trials. Of the tens of thousands of serious clubs swimmers in the area, trials is never in the cards for 99% of them. Athletes should prioritize fun instead of fixating on getting LCM times colleges don’t care about. But go drop that 200 fly time .5 in LCM so you can go swim D3 just like you were going to do anyway (and pay 80,000 a year to do it!)

Ah just another idiot thinking that a going D3 means you are worthless, yet there are a bunch of D3 programs are actually equal to or better than many D1 schools in swimming AND they are way better than the D1 schools academically too

Likely it’s an idiot bitter that their kid couldn’t sniff college swim at any level, so they come on here to sh!t on the kids who can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges also don’t look at LCM times that much. SCY success butters their bread. As posters have noted on other threads, there are only a handful of high school age locals going to trials. Of the tens of thousands of serious clubs swimmers in the area, trials is never in the cards for 99% of them. Athletes should prioritize fun instead of fixating on getting LCM times colleges don’t care about. But go drop that 200 fly time .5 in LCM so you can go swim D3 just like you were going to do anyway (and pay 80,000 a year to do it!)

As the parent of a high level swimmer, they would much rather go to the multi day elite meet than a Saturday morning meet where they will swim 2 SCM 50s (or maybe a SCM 50 and a SCM 100 IM) Summer swim is fun for them, but they don’t actually care that much about it.

[Anonymous]

this is so dependent on age. And if its a youngster who wants to do both and is passionate and crazy about swim to want to do both, I'd worry about burn out with traveling and scheduling so much so early.

[Anonymous]

My main issue is that parents here can’t fathom that some really fast older swimmers care about summer league AND long course AND will be able to swim in college. If your kid doesn’t care about summer swim, that’s fine. But this snobby attitude that fast kids who do take summer swim seriously aren’t serious swimmers is really annoying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My main issue is that parents here can’t fathom that some really fast older swimmers care about summer league AND long course AND will be able to swim in college. If your kid doesn’t care about summer swim, that’s fine. But this snobby attitude that fast kids who do take summer swim seriously aren’t serious swimmers is really annoying

If they care about the camraderie or being a role model for the little ones or being there for relays/dual meets, I get that.

If you literally mean they care about their time in a 50 breast SCM and would miss a national level meet to swim it at Divisionals/All Stars- Yeah, I can't fathom that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My main issue is that parents here can’t fathom that some really fast older swimmers care about summer league AND long course AND will be able to swim in college. If your kid doesn’t care about summer swim, that’s fine. But this snobby attitude that fast kids who do take summer swim seriously aren’t serious swimmers is really annoying

If they care about the camraderie or being a role model for the little ones or being there for relays/dual meets, I get that.

If you literally mean they care about their time in a 50 breast SCM and would miss a national level meet to swim it at Divisionals/All Stars- Yeah, I can't fathom that.

+1. No one is saying summer swim is bad, but let’s be honest, it’s an 8 week long recreation league with events that 13 and over club swimmers no longer swim (with the exception of the 50 free). It’s crazy to pretend that a serious swimmer cares about it as much, or takes it as seriously, as they take club and national meets. It’s a fun, low-pressure diversion for them to be sure, but it’s not exactly the top of the priority list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My main issue is that parents here can’t fathom that some really fast older swimmers care about summer league AND long course AND will be able to swim in college. If your kid doesn’t care about summer swim, that’s fine. But this snobby attitude that fast kids who do take summer swim seriously aren’t serious swimmers is really annoying

If they care about the camraderie or being a role model for the little ones or being there for relays/dual meets, I get that.

If you literally mean they care about their time in a 50 breast SCM and would miss a national level meet to swim it at Divisionals/All Stars- Yeah, I can't fathom that.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My main issue is that parents here can’t fathom that some really fast older swimmers care about summer league AND long course AND will be able to swim in college. If your kid doesn’t care about summer swim, that’s fine. But this snobby attitude that fast kids who do take summer swim seriously aren’t serious swimmers is really annoying

If they care about the camraderie or being a role model for the little ones or being there for relays/dual meets, I get that.

If you literally mean they care about their time in a 50 breast SCM and would miss a national level meet to swim it at Divisionals/All Stars- Yeah, I can't fathom that.

Just to clarify, they wouldn’t be missing a national level meet. They would be missing NCSAs. Not a national level meet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My main issue is that parents here can’t fathom that some really fast older swimmers care about summer league AND long course AND will be able to swim in college. If your kid doesn’t care about summer swim, that’s fine. But this snobby attitude that fast kids who do take summer swim seriously aren’t serious swimmers is really annoying

If they care about the camraderie or being a role model for the little ones or being there for relays/dual meets, I get that.

If you literally mean they care about their time in a 50 breast SCM and would miss a national level meet to swim it at Divisionals/All Stars- Yeah, I can't fathom that.

+1. No one is saying summer swim is bad, but let’s be honest, it’s an 8 week long recreation league with events that 13 and over club swimmers no longer swim (with the exception of the 50 free). It’s crazy to pretend that a serious swimmer cares about it as much, or takes it as seriously, as they take club and national meets. It’s a fun, low-pressure diversion for them to be sure, but it’s not exactly the top of the priority list.

I think most parents care more about the LC meet, most kids care more about all stars if you actually ask them. Even the older ones would rather go to summer all stars than the national meet. But their coaches tell them it’s more important, so they go there. But they really want to be at all stars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My main issue is that parents here can’t fathom that some really fast older swimmers care about summer league AND long course AND will be able to swim in college. If your kid doesn’t care about summer swim, that’s fine. But this snobby attitude that fast kids who do take summer swim seriously aren’t serious swimmers is really annoying

If they care about the camraderie or being a role model for the little ones or being there for relays/dual meets, I get that.

If you literally mean they care about their time in a 50 breast SCM and would miss a national level meet to swim it at Divisionals/All Stars- Yeah, I can't fathom that.

+1. No one is saying summer swim is bad, but let’s be honest, it’s an 8 week long recreation league with events that 13 and over club swimmers no longer swim (with the exception of the 50 free). It’s crazy to pretend that a serious swimmer cares about it as much, or takes it as seriously, as they take club and national meets. It’s a fun, low-pressure diversion for them to be sure, but it’s not exactly the top of the priority list.

I think most parents care more about the LC meet, most kids care more about all stars if you actually ask them. Even the older ones would rather go to summer all stars than the national meet. But their coaches tell them it’s more important, so they go there. But they really want to be at all stars.

Literally not remotely close to true for any actually serious swimmer.

I am sure many people here are saying this because their own swimmer actually cares more about summer league but are physically incapable of facing the reality that their swimmer isn’t a serious swimmer.